Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Hezbollah Is Bringing the Temple Down On Our Heads

While Israeli bombs are killing Lebanese children and innocents by the hundreds, Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's leader, decided to "fight for the Nation of Islam, whether the Lebanese want it or not".

Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Israel are turning Lebanon into killing fields. My beautiful country is being burned by crazy ideologies. My Lebanon of joy is being eaten by human monsters. My kind Lebanon is being butchered in the name of religion.

Our enemy Israel is killing us but at least its civilians are dying and it is paying the price of its military adventure, so is Hezbollah. But the cowards of Syria and Iran are sitting and watching civilians die and smiling cunningly.

The cowards of Syria and Iran are selling their oil at unprecedented prices and are reaping the political and economic benefits while we are loosing our children and billions of dollars.

Those cowards are buying and selling our lives for their regimes' interests. The blood of Lebanese children is being traded like options, futures and shares and the Iranian and Syrian regimes are filling both their strategic and financial pockets.

And Hezbollah is not a resistance force anymore. Hezbollah, today, is going on a worthless suicide mission and taking the whole of Lebanon with it.

God help all the Lebanese, Shiites, Sunnis, Christians and Druzes, who have been cheated into death for the sake of Assad's and Khamanei's regimes.

204 Comments:

Blogger sub Rosa said...

It's very simple my friend: get rid of HA! you, the people of Lebanon have the power to do that. I know it's a great risk because they are very mighty. What Israel is proving that it's more dangerous to harbor the terrorists. I'm very sorry the innocent Lebanese have to pay the price, I'm hurting your pian. I am. But I feel we have no choice.
Take care.

18 July, 2006 13:32  
Anonymous Regards from Jerusalem, Israel said...

Your people are being used as cannon fodder but those that rule over you. What a pity.

To understand why, read Being Hassan Nasrallah.

If you're a Muslim, this is what your religion preaches and dictates.

If you're not a Muslim, you are their dhimmi and you have 3 choices:

1. remain subjugated to Islam.
2. rebel and get control back of your country.
3. leave.

You call Israel the enemy and justifiably so, under present circumstances. But Israel has no intrinsic hate for Lebanon. The reverse cannot be said.

Just a darn shame all around, ain't it!

18 July, 2006 14:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Israel people have nothing against Lebanon or its people. When you let a radical Iranian agent run your country and attack without provocation Israeli cities what do you expect us to do ? Ask for more ! Get rid of Hizbela for your own sake.

18 July, 2006 15:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you must take responsibility for what you have brought upon yourself. You have let your government be week. you have stood by while hizbollah drags you down. When we pulled out of lebanon we fulfilled our obligations according to the UN blue line. Any agressive action after 2000 on us is an act of war.

I see you rejoicing at israeli casualties. i feel no pity for you for what you have brought on yourself. if you go up and punch the toughest kid in the playground for no reason at all, expect to get the crap kicked out of you.

paul
tel aviv

18 July, 2006 15:16  
Anonymous Michel said...

Sub Rosa, what "Israel is proving" is that the biggest gun wins. Not much of a surprise in that one, I guess. It was a principle used by Slobodan Milesovic - backed up by all the excuses you could think of - for a few years. It still caught up with him. It's the same principle that allows Israel to hold onto the west bank colonies and Golan Heights. It allows it to pick and choose the UN resolutions that suit its current needs. I wouldn't read any moral superiority into the fact that a country has better military navigation systems or indeed nuclear capability. It just makes negotations that much easier for them.

Maybe Lebanon was better off - or at least safer - under Syrian protection.

18 July, 2006 15:57  
Anonymous Selma said...

It seems as if every single Israeli suffers from amnesia. How dare you blame lebanese for their responsibility for bringing this on themselves????

You have brought on yourself enemies worldwide, because it is only recent that you created a state on palestinian soil by massacres and ethnic cleansing and you are pursuing this murderous strategy still in 2006. Perhaps Hezbollah is a disgrace to Lebanon now since it is no longer a resistance movement but rather an Iranian entity, but Israel is a disgrace to humanity and peace. Israel, "the tough kid on the playground", is a trigger-happy terrorist state whose expertise gained over the years is executing mass harm and terror.

Israel ignored that the Lebanese nation and government are trying to get out of the Iran and Syria spiral. They preferred to 'kick the crap out of' innocent Lebanese civilians and punish them for something that they are not guilty of. Justice and Israel are an oxymoron. If they knew what justice meant, they would not choose the path of mass murdering and mass destruction to the Lebanese nation to resolve the row they have with hezbollah.

18 July, 2006 16:10  
Anonymous chan said...

Michel, let's not get too much hooked on the UN resolutions, ok? But all this mess happens after Israel left ALL of Lebanon, ALL of the Gaza strip (paying quite a heavy internal price for that), and while its prime minister is trying to push very hard for a territorial solution in the west-bank. This all happens WITH Israel's military power. So I don't really understand your remarks about it.

18 July, 2006 16:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selma:

there are no Palestinians or Palestinian nation... It is an invention post-1968 where Arabs that you wanted to use as a weopon to kill Jews were transformed into an artificial nation as a weopon...

Well Arabs will pay for this... And as Lebanon was one of the creators, refusing to absorb the exchanged population, they deserve all they get ...

I am fred up with the whining of Arabs that they are victims... Muslims are the follpowers of a man who was a violent, pedophile nomad who had delusions of grandeur... In a way Islam is the original nazism... And the muslim world will be dealt as the nazis they are...

It will implode as Islam cannot live exscept as a parasite which sucks dry its victims and it was stopped 400 years ago from finding other victims...

Arabs and the arab world are disgusting examples of arrested development... A culture is a horrible thing to see when it was led astray by a violent creed for so long!

18 July, 2006 16:31  
Anonymous chan said...

Selma, I am mainly sorry for the hate you spit out of your mouth. I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you.

Yeah, sure, civilians do get hurt, and I feel truly sorry for that, but if you consider the huge amount of bombs and explosives thrown on Lebanon in the last days, I think the number of civilian casualties is actually relatively small.

And you know, what always strikes me is the constant uproar about Israel's "atrocities" and "massacres and ethnic cleansing", but it seems you tend to forget that in the past, the present, and sadly, probably also in the future, the biggest butchers of Arabs and muslims are "brother" Arabs and muslims.
Don't forget Hama in Syria, 'black-september' in Jordan, the Iran Iraq war, the Lebanese civil war, shall I continue? Algir maybe? Shall we mention the daily slaughter in Iraq? Is it also Israel's fault?

18 July, 2006 16:36  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Chan,
You come to my home, and tell me if the damage is small. You outside who have not lived through wars fought on your own land cannot say what the costs are.
We who have grown up with this permeating our world can tell you all about it.
And while you spout off about how horrible the Arabs etc. are, have you forgot about the ceder revolution, for which the west so praised us? There are murderers everywhere.
Sia'a

18 July, 2006 17:04  
Anonymous Selma said...

To anonymous: Israel cannot agree on its history, research is being censored, when you finally figure out your history, then perhaps you can start making some sense. And stop talking nonsense on islam and prophets, we are talking about severe human rights violations and no relation to any of that.

To Chan:
I also don't hate you, I choose for justice and humanity, so that makes me pro-people undoubtedly. I detest your government and its army. Why compare Israel to wacko militias in Iraq and Algeria and Arab dictators? You are the most progressive democracy in the Middle East and supposedly civilized. Or perhaps your democratic state is just a disguised terrorist state that belongs to the field of Assad, Zarqawi and all those other mass murderers. Are you trying to win the battle of butchering arabs? And the difference is that I and many other Lebanese condemn Arab dictatorships and Islamists, but you seem to encourage the murderous strategies of your government. Over 200 civilians have been slaughtered, and you think it is relatively small? An entire economy is destroyed affecting every single Lebanese family, should we forget that?Where is your sense for humanity?

18 July, 2006 17:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selma:

you mix Israel with your Arab countries where research is censured... In Israel we know what happened, and we let people discuss...

You in the Arab world have not managed to invent or contribute anything of value in the last 600 years (I am generous)... You are parasites ..

As to human rights violations? Well when you start a war and you let terrorists fire from your villages, don't whine when you get back some bombs... Not enough I must say... And Arabs are the biggest violatpors of humjan rights on the planet!

You don't want to speak of the pedophile (piss be upon him)? because HE and his death cult are the source of your problems...

Islam delenda esse... and the sooner the better!

18 July, 2006 17:50  
Anonymous chan said...

sia'a,
I don't say arabs are 'horrible'. Just refer to the fact (many of them, actually), that they inflict suffering and death upon their own folk to a much larger extent than what is caused by Israelis.
Injustice is all over, and Israel is not the cause of it all. Part of it, yes, but not all of it. It is used more of an excuse and as a scapegoat than anything realistic.

I was full of appreciation to you after the ceder revolution. I really hope this shit will end soon, and I wish you all the best.

selma,
I don't compare israel to the mass murderers. The magnitude of their atrocities is really beyond comparison here. I feel sorry for any civilians that get hurt.
I also feel sorry for Lebanon's economy. I really do. (the israeli economy don't really have fun with this mess too, you know.... I agree, though, that it is incomparable).

I know that israel is really trying not to hurt civilians. And, it isn't nice, but I prefer them targeting infra-structure, than civilians' lives.

Please don't forget that the basic situation here is that Lebanon attacked Israel. Lebanon attacked Israel. Not the other way around. The Hizballah is sitting in your government, for Heaven's sake. It is a part of your government. You know, I really support a complete retreat of Israel to the 67 borders, and I support fighting any settler that will oppose it. Do you support fighting the Hizballah?

18 July, 2006 17:51  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Chan,
I appreciate your decorum, thanks. But _Lebanon_ did not attack Israel, Hizballah did. I am 25, Lebanese, and I Did Not Attack Israel. My government (the one I actually voted for...) did not decide to wage war. A crazy man did that. But my suburb is being hit, my friends, my nieses and nephews. I do understand what you say about limiting civilian casualties, but you must understand where selma and I are comming from. This is not limited. What I see outside of my flat is not limited. And we all know how tenuous the sectarian peace is here. This newest battle risks disolving all of that which has not yet had time to solidify.
I wish I could be more forgiving, but as I watch the country that I saw rebuild itself be destroyed in 7 days, I find little way to forgive.

18 July, 2006 18:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At least its civilians are dying"?????? Fuck you.

18 July, 2006 18:07  
Anonymous chan said...

Mr. Anonymous,

Do you really think trying to hurt religious feelings of others somehow adds to the conversation?
Don't make a joke out of yourself.

18 July, 2006 18:07  
Anonymous Michel said...

Chan, I appreciate you trying to keep a civil tongue in times of extreme anger. Leaving aside UN resolutions (after all, it wouldn't be the first time in the case of Israel, would it?), you bring up another point that I don't understand in the common view that is repeated in the media: the Arab conspiracy. If I was to believe what is often repeated about Islam being out to destroy Israel, where is the big alliance? Why has no-one rushed to help the Palestinians as they were driven off their own land over the years and have had to watch colonies built there, a wall, economic warfare (witness the destruction of factories in Lebanon, farms in Gaza) and why has no one rushed to help Lebanon while it is being invaded?

Could it be... just talk? The bravado of ghetto hoodlums used as an excuse by Israeli and US policy makers?

I also have a problem with equating Lebanon with the Arab world. Lebanon seemed like a pretty diverse, open society until recently. It was also edging towards democracy. It was probably closer to Turkey in terms of development than say, Algeria or even Morocco.

PS: When I was talking about Israeli military power, what I was saying was that the country would not have gotten away with half of its actions without having the biggest gun. That's all.

18 July, 2006 18:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"he Hizballah is sitting in your government, for Heaven's sake. It is a part of your government."

I believe there is more to it than that. Many of the members of the Lebanese Army are Shia and sympathize with Hezbollah and wouldn't attack them if ordered to, so I can see the predicament the government faces.

18 July, 2006 18:54  
Anonymous ets said...

Last time I checked, Hezbollah didn't have any jet fighter-bombers. And US ambassador to the UN Bolton says that Lebanese civilians killed by IDF bombs isn't the same as Israeli civilians killed by Hezbollah missiles. And Hillary Clinton said, and I quote:"I want us here in New York to imagine if extremist terrorists were launching rocket attacks across the Mexican or Canadian border, would we stand by or would we defend America against these attacks from extremists? We will stand with Israel because Israel is standing up for American values as well as Israeli ones."

Face it, the US will let Israel wipe out Hezbollah to the last Lebanese standing, regardless of religion or ethnicity. You are all "collateral damage" in the Bush administration's eyes. The Bush administration doesn't even care about American civilians caught in the crossfire. US citizens are forced to pay $300US for their own evacuation! If I were president, I would hold Israel responsible for any American casualties, as Hezbollah is unaccountable to any international pressure.

And, for the life of me, I cannot think of how Syria and strongman Assad benefits from any of this. I can't see how Assad benefited from Hariri's assassination (ConsortiumNews.com's The Dangerously Incomplete Hariri Report.)

Wise up, Lebanon is being used to bolster Republican re-election chances in the fall and Israeli Prime Minister Olmert's reaping political capital, in both Jeruselam and Washington, D.C., with Lebanese blood.

18 July, 2006 19:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

Check this out, my friends.

18 July, 2006 19:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marhaba. First, I'm not Jewish, nor am I Arab. I'm one simple human being like all of you. It seems like your anger has overwhelmed your own human existence, and your sense of human kindness. I think it's sad what is happening now, and wonder what needs to be done to find true peace... (unfortunately, the worse is yet to come) Family members sometimes fight with eachother but there is always peace eventually between them. This is not God's will going on, but human nature at its worse. At the end of the day, terrorism is just a human act of terror... never glorious, but shameful. If you support the continuation of these acts, then you are no better than pure evil.

God Bless!

P.S. If you find no common sense to these words, and wish for more blood... than your fate will be death.

18 July, 2006 19:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you seem to have left off Jews from your blessing of gods help. I'm sure it's just a misprint. Israel is not your enemy. Neither are the Jews. It's not Israel who brought Hezbollah and hamas to your country. but then again what would I expect from you.

18 July, 2006 19:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Sixpack American here:

So sorry about all the bombing around Beireut. It's terrible.

Kinda reminds me of the U.S. marines barracks in 1983.

Too bad your "Lebanon of HATE" (excuse me, "joy") has it in for "your enemy Israel". Since you're certain that Israel is your enemy - by the way, your misplaced priorities makes YOU an enemy of the State of Israel - then you deserve to be a pawn of your so-called "breathren" in Syria and Iran.

18 July, 2006 19:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you didn't consider Israel your enemy maybe they would not be forced to protect themselves. From my understanding of what Lebanon used to be you have more in common culturally with Israel than you do with Syria and Iran anyway.

18 July, 2006 20:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an American let me say this: We are sick to death of the lot of you. If you insist on killing each other then that's fine with us. Do it but stop whining about it.

Has America contributed to the problems in the Middle East? Sure. But even if we weren't there you would still be at each others throats. As long as you hold on to ancient and not so ancient grudges you are going nowhere. You keep looking at the past. When are you going to start looking to the future?

How much of the oil wealth of the Middle East is wasted on paying off the extremists and on weapons for killing each other? If you don't want to live in peace then stop complaining about the other guy. Both sides are guilty of their own destruction. Israel exists and since it has nuclear weapons it is going to continue to exist. Unless, of course, you all decide to destroy each other.

The real enemy in all of this can be found in the capitals of Iran, Syria, Lebanon. The Israelis at least get to chose their own destroyers. There will be no peace until those that want peace get rid of the extremist in their midst. The choice is yours you either be the cow or you can be the bull.

18 July, 2006 20:28  
Anonymous ets said...

"If you didn't consider Israel your enemy maybe they would not be forced to protect themselves."

Ah, yes, the ever understanding voice of Lebanon's American reactionary Republican "friends".

18 July, 2006 20:30  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

My government (the one I actually voted for...) did not decide to wage war. A crazy man did that.

But they didn't denounce and ask for help subduing him or his organization, either. At least not openly. And after repeated attacks, well, Israel's response is straight out of the Torah.

It is a lesson in responsibility. The quicker Lebanon learns the less the country will be damaged.

18 July, 2006 21:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zadigvoltaire may God Bless you. A really well done piece. Let us all pray for our beloved lebanon.

18 July, 2006 21:24  
Anonymous Rami Khader said...

WEll i think you also should discuss the Israeli occupation to mazare3 shab3a and Israel Air dominsation to Lebanon air. the problem is not just hizb allah, the problem is a policy implemented by Israel to distroy any other power in that region. this is very dangerous and israel should recognize that they as any other country do not have the right to keep another land occupied.
God Bless Lebanon

18 July, 2006 21:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Why has no-one rushed to help the Palestinians as they were driven off their own land over the years and have had to watch colonies built there, a wall, economic warfare (witness the destruction of factories in Lebanon, farms in Gaza) and why has no one rushed to help Lebanon while it is being invaded?”

Just look what happened to them last time they rushed to help each other, the Israelis whipped them all.

“Has America contributed to the problems in the Middle East? “

Of course we have, there might not have been any Jews left if we hadn't got involved

18 July, 2006 21:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

zadigvoltaire, nice article.

18 July, 2006 21:55  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Solomon 2

The quicker we learn... What silly paternalism.

Sure, Israel, come and teach the stupid Lebanese how to behave a the dinner table.

Give me a break. That is an example of the most insulting type of anti-arab rhetoric that exists.

18 July, 2006 22:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being from the heartland of the United States I can only feel for both sides. The general population of either country wanted this fight.
However, when some group is allowed to take over part of a country and start killing people from a second country. The first country is going to pay a dear price with the life of people who have no interest. Let alone the damage done to the country.
I have no concept what it must feel like to be on either side when a missle or bomb drops from the sky. The thought scares me.
Maybe the leadersip from Lea. should seek to have the US step in protect them from their so called neighbors to the east. They will use everyone of you to serve their needs. But then again the people of Lea. would have to decide to pick up arms and clean their own house if they want true peace.

18 July, 2006 22:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever. Last time I checked things were peaceful in Lebanon until you started firing rockets across the border. Stop sulking, you have noone but yourself to blame.

18 July, 2006 22:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

please keep in mind this whole story started after israel withdrew from southern lebanon and the lebanese goverment left all of south lebanon to the hizbula fighters.israel has told lebanon it will not tolerate attacks,israel stoped herselfe few times in the past,and once hizbulla attacked israelies within israel -it was to much,remenber-israel is not lebanons enemy-if lebaonon was clever enough it could cooperate with israel and would have been rich and prspare,but it chosed by weeknes to join syria and iran-so it is hit by israel-and lebanon keep her contacts with arab extream forces it will allwsy be under distruction-take control over your lives lebanese peaple-send all non lebanese peaple back home and stop fighting with israel-you so much to gain apart from peacfull life-money and good life!!

18 July, 2006 22:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 22:16. Please keep in mind we were under Syrian occupation until just one year ago. Hizbullah flourished under this occupation.

18 July, 2006 23:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't it strange that all these bloggers from Israel sound so Germanesque. What's next, concentration camps for us Lebanese. Look, i absolutely loathe Hizbullah, but bombing a nation back into the stone age is not the answer.

18 July, 2006 23:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm. Some posters whine about Israel's occupation of territories they gained through warfare.

Now, let's see, why were the Israelis at war with their Arab "neighbors?" Oh yeh, that's right, the Arabs decided to attack Israel during its holiest day of the year.

Stop whining about losing land due to your own misguided belligerence. Clearly it was Allah's will for Israel's Arab neighbors to lose the war and lose land.

19 July, 2006 00:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And here we thought "bulldozer" was in a coma.

19 July, 2006 00:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2006 00:00. 88 B.C. Romans sack Athens and crush revolt in Samos. Don't deflect from the issue at hand. Lets stay on topic please. Again, bombing a nation into smithereens is just reckless. For Israel to survive, they need healthy democracies that surround it. Again, other than the Shia sect, us Lebanese despise Hezbullah! And need i remind you that all of Lebanon is not Arab or islamic.

19 July, 2006 00:14  
Anonymous jatfla said...

I've noticed a poster has fallen for the media's language of applying "germanesque, hitler, nazi" to Israel's determination to finally hit back at those who have terrorized their innocents, bombed their cities, murdered their babies and elderly, lied about their *treaties*, UN Resolutions, "Peace Plans" only to take advantage of Israel's desire for peace. And they have the biggest guns because if they didn't they'd have been mowed over by the sheer number of their enemies.

19 July, 2006 00:21  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

00:14- So true, everyone here is talking about what "Arabs" act like-- but many of us are not arab!
I also don't understand the term whining in this contest, 00:00. So far as I know, very few of us are whining. In fact, most are keeping our heads high as we watch our country be destroyed. What else can we do? The asymetry of this war is crazy. I watch fighter jets pound the suburbs, and I see the ships from my balcony, and I don't whine, but I do cry for my country. I believe that that is an understandable reaction

19 July, 2006 00:24  
Anonymous chan said...

"all these bloggers from Israel sound so Germanesque"
Come on, don't get so cheap. Look, many more israelis than you would expect feel your pain. We don't hate you; we don't enjoy seeing your country suffer.
I really hope it is the same from your direction.
Reading most of the comments here, seems that most agree that Hizbullah is a problem. We all know that the Lebanese government wouldn't have the power to control them even if they wanted to. They hurt Israel; they hurt israelis. How do you think Israel should have reacted?

19 July, 2006 00:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once the Syrians reoccupy Lebanon, and after the brain drain of the well educated Lebanese is finally complete, history will look back at your failed strategy.

19 July, 2006 00:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Point well taken 00:28. Personally and initially, i felt it was a divine intervention when this began, but then when you became reckless, by destroying all of our infrastructure, areas of the north that have nothing to do with hiz, that's when i felt it went to far. When it became a campaign to bring the Leb government down to its knees, meant as a spanking that we could've control them, that's when my support stopped. The idea should have been to win the war again Hizbullah the state and not Lebanon the state.

19 July, 2006 00:38  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Chan, 00:28's post, however crude, is exactly the problem with what Israel is trying to do here now. The situation will only be made worse. Honestly, I believe that the disporportionateness of the response is the biggest problem. They are trying to shock and awe Iran and Syria through us. The problem is, I believe, that the risks of this are much much greater than any possible benifit.
I look at my country in these type of ruins, and I'm not sure how we're going to get out again. I grew up during the end of the last invasion, and the aftermath of the war-- and watched Beirut grow anew. I've lived here my entire life, but for once I'm not sure what will be left after the bombing stops. I believe that there is a very good chance that sectarian violence will be sparked, and that Syria will once again play a far larger role in Lebanon that any of us want.
This is the worst part of this situation for me. What the Israelis are doing is only going to make things worse, both for us, and for them.

19 July, 2006 00:42  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Ha. 00:38, I enjoy that we wrote the same thing at the same time.

19 July, 2006 00:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sia, that is too funny! Be safe and may God Bless us.

19 July, 2006 00:53  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

Sia'a, it isn't anti-Arab. It's a universal rule, required so that peoples can co-exist in peace. Lebanon wished to reap the benefits of peace while hosting a dangerous bull that repeatedly gored its neighbors. Lebanon cannot avoid responsibility for not making the effort to kill it, but being content with making money instead. The lesson is that if you don't meet your legal and moral obligations, in the end you will be denied the enjoyment of your property anyway.

The solution is to team up with Israel and the international community to enforce the U.N. resolution to disarm Hizbollah. That, of course, takes courage. Is it more courageous to sit back and let your homes be destroyed? Or to team up with Hezbollah so your children may forever be denied the benefits of the peace that you so treasure?

And that's the best-case scenario. Nasrallah and Ahmedijad have stopped mentioning the well-being of Lebanese citizens in their speeches, have they not? The New York Times portrays Syrian citizens as foaming at the mouth at the propect of damaging Israel, forgetting about their Lebanese brethren. As long as Lebanon opposes Israel, there is a green light for Iran-Syria-Hezbollah to employ mass-destruction weapons on Lebanese territory - they can always say the Israelis did it. Every moment Lebanon stays in the Hizbollah camp increases this danger.

Forget anger. Choose survival instead!

19 July, 2006 00:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without talking politics, I am so sorry this is happening to your country. Many years ago I read an article in a magazine (Time, Newsweek??) and it talked about how Beruit was the Middle East's equivalent of the French Riviera - beautiful, peaceful. So much has happened - there are forces behind forces, telling lies -- and children are dying. My prayers are with you!

19 July, 2006 01:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Anonymous 01:03. May the Lords prayers be with all of us here in Lebanon and those in Israel.

19 July, 2006 01:06  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Solomon 2,
I wrote a big response about the roots of paternalism towards arabs, and white mans burden and my anger and frusteration over the situation...
Then I saw 01:03 and 01:06's posts, and think that's a good place to leave this for now.
I'm going to sleep.
Be safe, all.

19 July, 2006 01:17  
Anonymous chan said...

Sia, I don't think it has much to do with an attempt to impress Iran or Syria. It is just that we realized that it cannot go on anymore the way it used to.
You know, pulling out of Lebanon in 2000 wasn't easy for us, internally that is. The liberal forces were pushing in this directions, but the militant right wing opposed it, naturally. And we made it. We won. We pulled out.
And this was seen by many of your folk as a great victory over us. You laughed at our "weakness". You mocked us. The late Eduard Said came to participate in the ritual of throwing stones at our soldiers on the border.
All this is ok. But instead of using the opportunity of our withdrawl to at least try to build some neighbors' relations, you let Hizbullah go on with that "Shaba farms" mumbo-jumbo, which, according to international law belong to Syria (which, if I'm not wrong, doesn't recognize the border with you anyway). Was there even a discussion in Lebanon about it?
And Hizbullah just went on and on. And you know, a headline in one of the israeli newspapers when it all began said something that seemed to be quite true. It said: "One humiliation too much".
I wish you all a good night!

19 July, 2006 01:36  
Blogger Peter said...

At this point, the Lebanese people must put aside their differences for now and unite in calling for the world to put an end to Israel’s aggression. As difficult as it may be, criticism of Hizbollah must be placed on the backburner.

No matter how justified the Lebanese people may be in their anger at Hizbollah they must recognize that Israel will exploit Lebanon’s internal divisions to justify its savage collective punishment of Lebanon. It is no accident that Israel’s UN Ambassador Dan Gillerman keeps quoting Lebanese critics of Hizbollah. The more the Lebanese vent their anger at Hizbollah, the more they allow Israel to define the conflict as one of righteous democracy vs. radical Islam, rather than what the conflict is really about: a ruthless assault on Lebanon’s existence.

When Israel's aggression ends, there will be plenty of time to point fingers at Hizbollah. For now, you must remain united to survive.

19 July, 2006 02:39  
Anonymous Janjo said...

This is just a quote from a blog without any notification from author! (so don't act monkey plz)

I just don't get it. What does bombing a peaceful city hundreds of miles away have to do with Hezbollah? The Lebanese can't do anything about Hezbollah, Hezbollah has Syrian and Iranian backing and Syria has a million-man army on their borders. The only thing that makes sense would be that the Israelis hate Arabs, and Beirut has a lot of Arabs in it, so Israel is just killing Arabs because killing untermenschen is lotsa fun. I mean, look, what is Lebanon going to do about Hezbollah? Nothing. Nothing at all. They can't. Syria has a million soldiers on their border, and all Lebanon has is a few disoriented cops wearing soldier uniforms. Israel has a million soldiers on their border, and all Lebanon has is a few disoriented cops wearing soldier uniforms. What the hell can Lebanon do about Hezbollah? Why are the Israelis bombing innocent Lebanese civilians in Beirut, hundreds of miles away from Hezbollah, instead of going after Hezbollah themselves? It just doesn't make sense. Unless you posit that Israel just wants to kill them a bunch of Arabs, and doesn't care about innocent or no. Which makes them no different than the Nazis who just wanted to kill a bunch of jews, they have become their enemy, but if you point that out, you're automatically a Nazi jew hater who wants to exterminate Jews. Reality is anti-semitic,
the rest

19 July, 2006 03:45  
Blogger Ryan said...

Whatever your position on the politics of the region, the fact is there is no proportion between the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers and Israel's massive bombing and massacre campaign in Lebanon. I know rockets are now landing in Israeli towns, but that is retaliation for Israel's bombing all over Lebanon.
Israel doesn't want peace!

19 July, 2006 03:53  
Anonymous RCL said...

There is no "proportion" in war. If anything Israel is holding back too much.

Our blogger is right; Lebanon is a pawn being sacrificed to pull Israel and the West out.

His complaint is pathetic. Assuming he is a grown man he has to accept responsibility for the years he and his fellow citizens have sat back while Iran and Syria built up their surrogate army in his neighborhood.

Lebanese now whine about getting the UN to come in. The UN is there NOW. They have always been there doing absolutely nothing. The UN did order Mr. Voltaire's government to disarm Hezbollah. Did they? Not a chance.

To quote Edmund Burke, "All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

The pawn will be taken; the game should be played to the end now before the Mullahs get any stronger. The number of dead now will be much less than the cost if we put it off until Iran has nuclear capability.

My wife's Lebanese. We wish this wasn't happening but there are consequences to sharing your home with a devil.

R.

19 July, 2006 04:43  
Anonymous Mr Anonymous said...

I am afraid to say but this is utterly bushtit. This crisis has got nothing to do with Iran backing Hezbollah. Let’s go couple of years “Back in 2004, Hezbollah took in Prisoners of War and exchanged them for captives inside the Israeli jails. You didn't see a war happen then did you? They exchanged people and everyone was able to sit back, play cards, and watch Drew Carey at night.

So what is so different now?

Hezbollah probably thought it is a good time to do same thing and it would put pressure on Israel since they were already involved in Gaza crisis. But Israel didn’t responded the way Hezbollah was expecting.

I do feel sorry for the people in Lebanon but believe me when I say Iranian would be the happiest to see Hezbollah out of the picture. The least would be saving 0.5m to 1m dollars (of our money) going to some dump asses who can not even think before they want to do some shit. They had to see this coming and what they have done was just a suicide act.
Let me put it this way, why do you think Iranian Foreign Minister and President has asked for cease fire and exchange of prisoners. Because they just can’t believe how stupid Hezbollah could have acted. If you want to get to know real cowards you better look around and you will see your Arab neighbours. Those who even don’t bother to say to Israel or Hezbollah to stop. At least people in Iran feel sorry and would send any help to your people.

And in regards to Iran, if Hezbollah is supported by Iran and Syria ( which it is better to say Hezbollah and Syria are supported by Iran), well Iran is also Supported by Russia and China. Where the hell do you think we get our weapons from? Do you think if we go crazy and go to some stupid war, China or Russia goanna come to war cuz of us? No they just say clear you mess.

Remember, Iran is not a Arab country and they don’t like it when anyone calls Persian Gulf, Arabian Gulf. And remember till just 25 years ago Israel and Iran had a common interests. That’s why they were cooperating. You might be surprise if one day may be not far they cooperate again.

The population of Iran is 80 million today and it will be 100 million in 10 years. The army is 2 million. It is 2 million army not police not some half trained teens, in addition to that there is about 500,000 Special Forces. Never mind that, all Iranian men have had 2 years of military training and the 50 million of the current population is under 35 years old, and when I say army training I don’t mean running in circles, it means not they can use a gun but they can actually use a RPG and so on.

There is one thing in common between Iran and Israel and that is that they don’t talk about their military strengths. Do you know why? They don’t need to talk about it. They use it when it’s necessarily. In past 2 years Israel has put fingers on Iran in supporting Hezbollah and Iran nuclear plans but each time they have said only one thing that Israel won’t attack Iran. They say that they leave it to the super powers. Do you know What super powers will do? They make deals with Iran. Neither Israel nor Iran likes to go in war with each other. That’s a fact which time will prove it.

I say it at the end that I truly feel sorry for all Lebanese people and I hope this crisis end sooner. But don’t try to blame everything on others. I think the post by Jan was true. Why not just go after Hezbollah? I hope Israeli’s government could appreciate human lives of those who are not Jews as much those who are Jews.

19 July, 2006 04:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel doesn't want peace. There is a plan a foot to replace the Lebanonese government with a puppet government and to start wars with Syria and Iran and remove those governments. It will be the USA probably that will attack Iran. The purpose is the expulsion of the Palestinians from Palestine and not have any opposition from anyone.

19 July, 2006 08:48  
Anonymous Michel said...

I had to laugh yesterday as I saw Slobodan Olmert give his "Shalom, Shalom, Shalom" speech for the benefit for TV viewers. There he was, with his hand on his chest, his noble brow raised to insist that of course all Israel wants is peace, peace, peace. I'm sure it brought a warm fuzzy, self-righteous feeling to the many Israelis watching. These nasty picture we're seeing on TV of a country wantonly destroyed should not distract us; we know deep down we are good folk. Those pesky people in Gaza are ungrateful. We gave them back their land (creating the largest open-plan prison in history - but not to worry: if they complain too much we block their water and electricity, run over their crops and irrigation schemes with tanks and let their vegetables rot at border controls). Those pesky people in Lebanon are ungrateful: we withdrew (cementing over every well on the way out). And now we'll strike a blow for world - yes, world - peace by bombing Beirut airport and all the country's ports and roads.

The hard fact is that in 60 years, Israel has been unable to establish normal relations with any of its neighbours. Not one. Its vision of peace is to be surrounded by poverty. And if anyone dares aspire to economic prosperity, there will always be a border squabble we can use send in the tanks.

19 July, 2006 11:25  
Blogger Roby said...

Chirac called Israel's attacks on Lebanon disproportionate. Disproportionate? The French condemnation of Israel's retaliation against Lebanon is morally obscene!
Don't miss The video of French Atrocities in Ivory Coast:
http://www.freewillblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/4745
This Swiss TV investigation was made by the same person who forced french army to acknoledge the ”9 november ivoiry hotel massacre".
Speaking about November.2004, Ivoiry hotel massacre, you learn that the french army helicopters shot WITHOUT “warnings shots” on the crowd made of hundreds people. It’s wasn’t the first time French Army was shooting without ”warning shots“ (shot in the air). Three days before the shooting of the hotel ivor the demonstrators (manifestors) move towards the French military base. French helicopters shoot directly at the demonstrators.
By the way --- where was here the UN and their resolutins ??? No where !!!!!!!
The French and Their Moral High Ground.
Is France asking Israel to follow their Example ?

19 July, 2006 13:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For years it was easy for the people in Lebanon to ignore the Hezbollah cancer growing in Lebanon.
Now when lebanon is getting destroied everyone wake up and cry. It is very easy to blame AFTER things happan instead of dealing with the problem on time when the UN 6 years ago advised Lebanon to kick out the Hezbollah(Hezbolla). It is like when a fatlady cry and blame McDonald's for the 100 pound she gained the blame is on her not others. Lebanon is the same , don't blame Israel, Syria , Iran . You let Hezbollah in Now get them out of Lebanon because if not this will happen again every 10 years !!!

19 July, 2006 13:17  
Anonymous Miriam from Jerusalem said...

May god bring peace to Lebanon.
May you live life
without paying for the dids of others
who wouldn't value your life.

19 July, 2006 13:23  
Anonymous Iranian said...

Well, boo freakin' hoo!

19 July, 2006 13:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, boo freakin' iranian fag, Ha Ha Ha

19 July, 2006 13:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come the iranians multiply if the like it in their ass?

19 July, 2006 13:32  
Blogger Roby said...

There have been complaints about Israel's reactions as "disproportionate or asymmetrical." Those complaints are, frankly, silly. Military actions in war are meant to be asymmetrical and lead to victory. They are not meant to be measured to achieve a stalemate.

19 July, 2006 13:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Israeli people have nothing againts Lebanon or it's people, it's just a pitty that a radical terrorist organization has taken over your country and brought caos and destruction to such a beautyfull cuntry and colture.
May god be with you.

19 July, 2006 13:57  
Blogger real1 said...

You deserve it for being a nation of cowards and letting the Hezbollah destroy your country - time to pay the price. If you can't stop Hezbollah Israel will do it.

19 July, 2006 14:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am sorry for all the innocent life that are being lost on both sides but we can not live under hizbolla terms and threts.
i hope you will be abeal to gain your contry back and not let others to use it for evil porpesses
my you live throught this times.

19 July, 2006 14:43  
Anonymous keren said...

To everyone

First of all I wish all the Lebanon civilians health and good times to come soon, as I wish all the Israelis in the north of the country, that is also under constant attack.

There is no one to blame. Everybody has good reason to do what he's doing, I promise you that. And all reasons seems logical and understandable. The Israelis has their reason and Hezbollah has their reason and Lebanon and Syria and Iran has theirs.
Maybe we should stop splitting ourselves by countries and start looking at each other as people. I think everybody try to survive. We fight about things which happened in the past and because of that can't really look into the future. I think Israel wasn't formed of evil intentions, and the passion to get into war, the formation of Israel was the answer to a certain circumstances and what they thought they had to do in order to survive. I believe everyone that is part of man kind would act the same in that situation. And as I can relate to Arabs I can understand the Israelis as well, and just be frustrated by the thought that someone will have to pay the price in the end. It's kind of watching a lion chasing a deer and although you know that the lion have to survive - you feel for the deer as well.
And it seems to me that after all this is the nature of territories. Is there a country that was where she is now from the beginning of time? Things are changing because circumstances force it to. There isn't one answer, one truth, one way. We are all people and we are doomed to find out how we can live together as one in this world. I don't care if it's Lebanon civilians or Israelies (although I'm from Israel) that get hurt – it's just as sad. It's the same, don’t you see? It's sad to see all the hate from both sides. The harsh words.. Don't you think we are controlled by the information someone has decided, up there in government, to give us? Is there any information we get that isn’t filtered by the interest of the governments? Now, in the internet era It's quite incredible that we can speak directly to each other. Let's make it a good corporation of civilians that want to speak and understand what is happening, and not another war. War of words.

All the best to all people
Keren

By the way – I always think about the tale of Gulliver when he is trying to understand why the Liliputs are fighting the other army (I forgot its name), but no one seems to remember what started all this. I know we believe we remember but I think we don't really. And I think it doesn’t really matter. It was other people, other times. But today we are the ones that are here! Not them. We are fighting ghosts…
To all out there - Take good care.
keren

19 July, 2006 15:03  
Anonymous Persian said...

To some of the Anonymous: Before you post your comments, read it once to see if it makes sense. Even if you want to insult, insult with proper English and if you can’t then shut it.

And to rest:

I don’t think Israel is really taking care of Hezbollah. More than 200 people have been killed so far and how many of them are from Hezbollah? Just a few and the rest are poor civilians. Why do you fool yourself? Israel has claimed that 700 rockets have been fired into Israel and also Israel has claimed that 30% of Hezbollah rocket storages have been hit and destroyed. How the hell does Israel know how many rockets Hezbollah has to confirm such a 30% figure? To know how many, Israel has to know the location of all storages and identify which ones have been hit! Then what the hell are they waiting for? To allow Hezbollah to bring the other 70% out and fire them cross the border so Israel and give Israel some way of justification for this massacre? It’s either that Israel is just making these figures up to fool their people or they are for real but Israel does not give a shit even about their own people to get killed by those rockets! After a week of air strikes, number of rockets firing has not dropped!

The truth is Bombing dairy factories and electricity plants will only make Hezbollah supporters and other Lebanese depend on Hezbollah more. Is that how Israel wants to destroy Hezbollah but giving them more supporters? Or maybe Israel is trying to do what US did in Iraq! Do you think any of these could bring peace to that region? Maybe Israel does not want peace at all and their army has been waiting for such a chance to make such a chaos!

This is nonsense when it is said Israel pulled out in 2000 and Lebanese government had enough time to kick Hezbollah out. The truth is, Syrian just pulled out a year ago from Lebanon and it is only one year that Lebanon’s government had a chance to pull the strings together. If Israel would have cared at all for peace they would have negotiated as they did in 2004 (as Mr Anonymous said... ) and they would give more time to Lebanese government to become stronger and take care of Hezbollah. It is unfair to accuse people of Lebanon for letting Hezbollah to grow. They showed their true interest by backing the government recently and rallying behind government and push Syrian out. They just needed a bit more time and Hezbollah would be disarmed too.
Maybe Hezbollah realised that and started this crisis but Israel could be wiser and smarter than that to play along. But I guess they would not care anyways. They like killing innocents and now they got the chance. And I tell you what has changed since 2004. All the meaningless reasons that Israel gives now could be applied to the 2004 situation but back then Syrian Army was in Lebanon and Israel did not have the balls to go in war with both countries and today they found Hezbollah on its own!

I hope Israel realise what they are doing is helping Hezbollah and killing any chance that Lebanon’s government might have had to overcome them. God bless Lebanese people.

19 July, 2006 15:19  
Anonymous Love said...

The World Peace Religion is the solution for the Middle East Crisis. http://www.thetempleoflove.com/

19 July, 2006 15:21  
Anonymous keren said...

And one last thing:

Everybody shouting natzism all around.
The only natzism I see here is people who are agressive to other people without even knowung them peronally - and judging each other by the country (the peace of land) they are from. and this is truly a nazism. 'all lebanons are..' 'all isralies are...' it's just not true.

Haters: in other times and other places, some of you could be best friends.

19 July, 2006 15:21  
Anonymous Katyusha said...

All you pissy wannabe Europeans complaining about Hizbullah make me sick- while you and your families were enjoying life in Paris, London and Washington, the 'inferior' Shia were giving their fathers, sons, brothers, uncles to defend your shitty little country. Hizbullah is Lebanon. Do yourself and everyone else a big a favor and emigrate to France or some other 'great' country and leave Lebanon to the ones who actually care about it and don't want to turn it into one big Club Med resort.

19 July, 2006 15:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nasrala using Lebanese people as his shield, he is no soldier, and no freedom fighter, he is a coward, i dont see him on the streets now...
All he knows is do small attacks on Israel, perhaps kidnap a soldier from time to time, and then hide in a safe place and let Lebanese people die.

And Lebanese people brought this on themselves, they let this manic do what ever he wishes in their land and dont forget to one second that he is an Iranian agent who lives there and does exactly what he is told to do, the time of this attack on Israel is not random, the Iranians are developing a weapon of mass destruction and want the world to focus on something different now...
Beside this Lebanese people let Syria kill its leaders, give weapons to Hezbollah and fight on their land.
My conclusion, be ashamed with your self Lebanese people, if you wish to have a country start acting like you know how to run one....

19 July, 2006 15:34  
Anonymous katyusha said...

Zadig you piece of shit, it was the 'coward' Iranians who sent a thousand of their best soldiers to Lebanon to defend your shit country, while their own country was occupied by Saddam. It was the 'coward' Syrians who came into Lebanon and actually fought the Israelis otherwise you would be speaking Hebrew right now, you ungrateful wanker. Take your romantic bullshit view of Lebanon and go to some cafe in Paris and talk about it to somebody who cares. Don't say "My Lebanon", you don't have the right to say that.
Hizbulllah and Seyyed Hassan, who unlike you, gave his first-born son for the defence of Lebanon, have the right to say "My Lebanon".

19 July, 2006 16:00  
Anonymous persian said...

@ Keren: I am grateful to see your post. It stops me from giving up that there can be hope for all of us to live together in peace, without the need to be fed the shit information by our governments who want to make us believe that we are each other enemies. I hope people reading these comments also realise the chance that we have to talk to each other directly and not spoil it by attacking and insulting each other.

@ all:
You may want to see some of these pictures: they are horrifying.
click for Pictures

God bless Lemonades and all of us.

19 July, 2006 16:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony is now in syria

19 July, 2006 16:54  
Anonymous Michel said...

I read a lot that Lebanon "brought this on itself", and "only" had to rid itself of Hizbollah. I have three questions for the people that believe this:
1) presumably, you know that Lebanon has already been through a civil war;
2) you know the cost in human and political terms of having brothers fighting brothers hand-to-hand street-to-street;
3) you yourself have also done the same thing in your country by going into the streets and fighting the Ku Klux Klan/White Supermatists/UVF/British National Party/Hamas/WNP and other organisations that are trying to destabilise your country through a combination of zealotry and brute force.

Speak up there at the back of the room. Do I see a hand raised? No, not even one? Thought not.

PS: Keren, bless your heart.

19 July, 2006 17:00  
Anonymous keren said...

To persian

Thank you. You made me very happy. I'm only sorry I have only words to offer.
And those words are so weak that it can't stop a war. Not even here in the blog. It seems that no one really listens to others here. Did you notice that?
Maybe I'm being stupid and naive thinking that people will see it differently than what they were taught to see. Maybe people need to hate. I don't know...
I wish it could have made a difference somewhere. And your post made me also believe again that maybe someone is really out there listening and that I am not alone in these believes and wishes.
I hope we will use this media of internet differently.
I thank you and wish you the best the world can offer

Keren

19 July, 2006 17:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read a lot that Lebanon "brought this on itself", and "only" had to rid itself of Hizbollah. I have three questions for the people that believe this:
1) presumably, you know that Lebanon has already been through a civil war;
2) you know the cost in human and political terms of having brothers fighting brothers hand-to-hand street-to-street;
3) you yourself have also done the same thing in your country by going into the streets and fighting the Ku Klux Klan/White Supermatists/UVF/British National Party/Hamas/WNP and other organisations that are trying to destabilise your country through a combination of zealotry and brute force.



Your analogies are wrong. A country, a real country enforces its laws on all, even with force. You thought that the price of fightinh HA was too high and you were ready to sacrifice a couple of Yehud for that. Well now you realize it was too high...

Too late!

19 July, 2006 17:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi there

I read your blog with great interest.
I decided to post this response because I do believe that it is impotent to talk with the people of Lebanon that can, and hopefully also willing to listen.
Unfortunately, for us in Israel, but mostly for you and your friends in Lebanon, there are groups of people in Lebanon who can't hear anything but these little voices in their heads that telling them "kill Jews! kill Jews!" ...even at the cost of destroying themselves and others around them.

And this is the responsibility of the Lebanese to prevent from those to unleash their power.
And when the Lebanese fail in taking responsibility for their own, they can't complain when others, who are heart by these irresponsibility of the Lebanese, will do that job instead.
Israel mast first take care for her own, only than to others!!!

No one in Israel wants the distraction of Lebanon. But all wants the elimination of Hezbollah...
...Unfortunately, when a body fails fighting for it self, removing a cancerous tumor requires also cutting throe the healthy tissue - which is you and your friends. when the tumor is spread all over the body, this process can becomes quite messy.

I do hope that this current crises will end when better forces will take the place of the dark ones that insha'ala will be eliminate.

truly yours,
R

19 July, 2006 18:23  
Anonymous Gazilion said...

Katyusha said: «while you and your families were enjoying life in Paris, London and Washington, the 'inferior' Shia were giving their fathers, sons, brothers, uncles to defend your shitty little country.»

Great concept of “defending” a country, Katyusha! Turning it into a chaos. As far as I know, Lebanon was not “shitty” until the Shia started ruining it... In the context of the Arab world, it was a nice place. But you solved that “problem” and assured the contrast with the other Arab countries wouldn’t be so evident — by leveling it by the lowest standard.


Katyusha said: «All you pissy wannabe Europeans complaining about Hizbullah make me sick [...] Do yourself and everyone else a big a favor and emigrate to France or some other 'great' country and leave Lebanon to the ones who actually care about it and don't want to turn it into one big Club Med resort

I’m not a great fan of Club Med resorts myself, but I reckon that’s better (WAY BETTER!) than death, destruction, and (civil) war. Lebanon doesn’t need enemies with “friends” like you...
Judging from your expressed opinions and your choice of nickname, I’d say you’re and inch from being a sociopath — and I’m being nice considering you didn’t cross that line yet.
I’m assuming you are of Arab ethnicity. If that’s so, then I’m before an extreme example of self-inflicted, self-depreciating racism. You identify peace and prosperity with European behavior — and chaos, death and barbarism with the Arab (and, I guess, Shiite) way. A “white power”, anti-Islamic fascist would undersign your statement! We have to excavate on the lowest levels of human dignity in Europe (or America, or Israel) to find such extreme anti-Arab, anti-Muslim rants. Congrats!


The saddest in all this is that there is foreseeable solution to this problem. The way things are in Lebanon, with split loyalties, I guess Lebanese are to “choose” between letting Hezbollah do what it wants and the suffer the Israeli counterstrike, or affronting the Hezbollah and face internal division and civil war (again). Not a great choice, I’d say: it’s a lose-lose situation.


Anyway, I hope things get a little better over there.

19 July, 2006 19:08  
Anonymous GUY said...

guy(israeli)
i wonder why
90% of all terror acts preform by muslims?!(worldwide).
HA will NOT survive this WAR .nassrallah must die and we will kill him.
we don't want war with the lebanies.i think that the lebanies should take responsebility on their country or it will ever be a playground for terrorists. we are more then happy to join forces with the lebanies against HA. a free lebanon is a happy israel - why can't you see it?

19 July, 2006 19:12  
Anonymous Gazilion said...

Sadly, I meant to write: «The saddest in all this is that there is no foreseeable solution to this problem.»

19 July, 2006 19:21  
Blogger Mike Hawk said...

Very sorry to see that Lebanese lives are less valuable in the eyes of the world than Israeli lives.
As an American taxpayer, i'm also very embarrassed that my government sanctions these actions.
When this all calms down, do your best to see that Hezbollah is discredited in the eyes of sane Lebanese people.
Take care, brother.

19 July, 2006 19:47  
Anonymous persian said...

Guy, Gazillion, Anonymousness and others:

Why do you repeat same thing over and over. I guess we all have understood your point and what it has been said above in many of the comments is an answer to your accusation on Lebanese people. Why do you only pick on what people like Katyusha says rather than trying to understand other people here?

Why do you think Hezbollah can not survive this war? That’s the whole problem that Israel is killing Lebanese while Hezbollah is surviving it rather well. Have you asked yourself why the number of rockets has not decreased?! Should not that be singe of the wrong approach taken so far?

I don’t see any point to repeat what already has been said above, I am sure you can read it for yourself if you want to.

God bless Lebanese people and all of us.


B.S @Keren,
Among all the good things you mentioned, there was this sentence which I think many of us need to consider more. I quote: “Is there a country that was where she is now from the beginning of time? Things are changing because circumstances force it to. There isn't [only] one answer, one truth, one way [of doing things].”

It is a shame that people just kill each other over the existence of a line! A line which has not been there couple hundred years ago and the ancestors of same people killing each other today, were living together as part of one community.

19 July, 2006 20:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sincerely want to believe that most ordinary people want to live in peace. Isn’t it time that those people take control of their lives? Isn’t it time to stop being hostages of insane ideologists, whether it is Hezbollah, Iran, Syria or Israel, who would take us to the grave?

19 July, 2006 20:45  
Anonymous keren said...

to persian

I agree.

I have a question for the lebanon civilians, if they can answer: I've just heared on our news that Hisbolla is forcing southern civilians to stay and not letting them leave to save their life, even if it means shooting at them.
I wonder if you heared the same things as well at your country or is it just here?

19 July, 2006 21:14  
Blogger Cyrus said...

Hi,

I am a journalist writing about Lebanese blogs for Wired News (www.wired.com). I would very much like to speak with you about your experiences in Lebanon. Please email me if you’re available.

Thanks,

-Cyrus
cfarivar@cfarivar.org

19 July, 2006 21:25  
Anonymous Vegan said...

I'm a vegan. I don't eat flesh be it from land or sea, I don't drink milk, I don't eat eggs, butter, honey. I don't wear leather, silk, wool and no cotton that was not grown organically, because cotton requires too much agrochemicals. I don't drink juices or wine which was filtered using isinglass, a fish gelatine. I drink no Barcadi, because the "coloring agent" is actually billions of little crushed insects. Insects matter too, and if their death can be avoided, why not?

Oh yes, I'm also German, so I guess freeing an insect from my window to let it out, may be considered "Germanesque".

This world out there, it is not my world and I look at it with bewilderment. I look at the history of my own country and I'm confused. And I look at the present time and I'm confused.

In "1999", I thought I was feeling something, like a promise of time. For a moment there, it _felt_ as if things were coming together and people would "wake up". Well, they didn't.

What is this force, that is holding us back? We are so close to be able to install bliss, to create "paradise" right here and now! There is enough knowledge now and awareness available to create systems which will give every one of us peace at mind. I mean my gosh, soon we'll be able to grow 200 years and older and who knows what else the future brings.

It's like this glass wall is separating us from a truly blissful planet. We can gaze at this "other side" in our minds, but we can't walk there with our feet. Who put the wall there, who is reinforcing it and why? It's not an Israeli wall, or Arab wall, or any particular wall. This wall is everywhere, it's in our heads. The bits in our heads are the blocks to the force which is withholding true progress from us.

Who wants to keep *us* down? We, the people of all nations. Who wants to keep us *behind* this glass wall? Is it our own fears? Is it orchestrated? Both?

For how many more generations?

This generation could be the last one to bear such handicap. It _could_ be.

It could happen now.

19 July, 2006 21:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are all sand niggers so why are you all killing ach other? Hell I bet if you took away names and didn’t state your religion, I bet you would not even be able to tell one of you from another. Bomb the shit out of each other all you want but don’t involve the rest of the world in your shitty messes. I see so many of you saying why doesn’t the world step in and stop this. That’s a laugh, what for? You will just bomb each other again anyway. You all try to sound so damn intellectual on all these Jew/Arab blogs but you are in reality all blood thirsty morons who wont be satisfied until you blow each other off the map. That’s ok by me blow each other away, less problems for the world that way. And Selma, go fuck yourself with a coke bottle Hun.

19 July, 2006 22:18  
Blogger Roby said...

Blair Rejects Mid-East Ceasefire Call (Wednesday July 19, 02:18 PM)

Tony Blair has refused to call for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon. He said Hizbollah guerrillas should release the two captured Israeli soldiers and stop firing rockets into northern Israel. Mr Blair was responding in the Commons to Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, who had urged him to call for a truce.
But the Prime Minister said: "If it is to stop it has to stop by undoing how it started.
"And it started with the kidnap of Israeli soldiers and the bombardment of northern
Israel
and if we want this to stop, that has to stop."
"Of course it is important that the response of Israel is proportionate and it does its best to minimise civilian casualties.
"But I have to say this would stop now if the soldiers that were kidnapped wrongly, when Hizbollah crossed the United Nations blue line, were released.
"It would stop now if the rockets stopped coming into Haifa. If those two things happened I would be the first person out there telling Israel to stop these things."


If these are the words of a Prime Minister that cannot be called as a "friend of Israel", so what else could say the infiltrated provocators of Hisbulla in this blog?!

19 July, 2006 22:20  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Keren- I've liked the Gulliver analogy. I also think it is interisting how little people listen to one another even in this little place. I feel that people don't see how the same our lives all are. I can't imagine them passing the same judgments about their own families or communities that they pass about mine, and I feel that that comes from a lack of knowlege. It is very sad.
Persian- I agree so deeply with what you are saying. Inshalla we will have better tomorrows. In the meantime, bombs seem to be picking up pace again today.
Katyusha- I was born and raised in Beirut. I have lived here my entire life, through the war and all, and am very pleased that I managed to come through that with a very different world outlook than yours. That does not make me any less Lebanese.

19 July, 2006 22:35  
Blogger Roby said...

Still think it has nothing to do with Islam?
Still think it has to blame ISRAEL for everything?


Check:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Islamic terrorists have carried more than 5404 deadly terror atacks since 9/11 !

19 July, 2006 22:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello,zadig.
my name is yehonatn, i'm from isreal, i'm the enamy.
i spent two years un your contrey during my millitary service; and from top of the bufor tower- klaat a shkif, watched your buetiful land: the great tree coverd mountins, the litani river, sun sets that light the tzor sea, and the magical morning mists that cover it all; allowing you a taste of heaven as you inhale it.
i cry for you today and wish you life.

19 July, 2006 23:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zadig,

among all the spite and venom that your post received, let me offer my sympathy.

The arguments about who did what to whom and when and why (and why that makes it okay to be inhuman) will go on for centuries. In the meantime, you are a person - one individual - who doesn't have much power.

Try to retain some hope that peace will return soon. I'll keep an eye on your blog and next time, when I have more time, log in properly.

In the meantime, from Austin, Texas, I wish you and your country peace as soon as possible.

19 July, 2006 23:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why on hearth the Lebeneze allowed Hizzbulla to harm to control thir borders to get wopen from Iran, and Syria to sit on their goverment nd perliment!! you let a terror orgenization control you life now you actulley pay the price

20 July, 2006 00:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A scientific survey made in 2002 proves that at least 82% of the Lebanese people support terrorist suicide bombings against civilian targets. So, as a citizen of Israel I can only say 2 things to the poor Lebanonians:
1. Cut that pretentious bullshit about not supporting the Hizbollah because we both know that if Israel hadn't bombed south Lebanon like it did after what Hizbollah did you would have all gone to the streets and demonstrate in favour of Hizbollah. In other words, the only reason you don't suuport Hizbollah is because it caused Israel destroy south Lebanon.
2. You can't eat all the cake and leave it whole. Either you think all the ones that died fighting Israel and kiiling it's citizens are Shahids and live in heaven now and then you should suffer the consequence of letting murderers live near you, but what do you care? when you'l die Allah will accept you with open arms BUT then you don't get to bitch like you do now about what Israel is doing nor about Hizbollah. OR you could kick all the terrorists out of your neighborhoods and live a good peaceful life because then Israel won't have a need to bomb your house.

20 July, 2006 00:18  
Anonymous eyal said...

you what's sad? I read what you wrote and said to my self. i can friends with this guy, I like the way he thinks..

inshalla you'll make it though all of this, all the best.

the Lebanese are not to blame, they shoun't be the ones daying, but nither are the people of Haifa, or Nazareth, the simple people are the ones how always suffer.

who knows, maybe this will help us all get ride of Hizbulla and suria.

Take care
eyal
Israel.

20 July, 2006 00:27  
Anonymous Adi from Tel Aviv said...

and what we the israeli can say?
Hizbahala is killing all the nirht of the country' after years of silent they kidnap two soldgeigrs.
and i still didn't mantened the Hamas (whish is supported by the Hizbala) that killid citizen in the middle of the town.
the truth is, i hope all this war will be over soon, with all sides, than me and you can sit down for a beer and talk about issue that just doesnt matter (what do yyou think about the new cd of 20 cent)
we are paying the price of people who are crazy.

20 July, 2006 00:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel is NOT your enemy!
Hezbollah, Iran and Syria are your enemies!
There is nothing we want more than to see a prosperous, terrorist free nabour from the north.
by fighting Hezbollah and not laying off until it is finished, Israel is doing you a favor.
sorry for the temporary inconvenient, please try to understand.

20 July, 2006 00:37  
Anonymous Gazilion said...

Hi, Persian!
First, in my post I didn't make any accusation on the Lebanese people. Rather, I said I understand the touchy situation they're in: either they fight the Hezbollah or they let it be, they're probably bound to have troubles with someone...
And I do try to understand other people writing here. Particularily, I understand and agree a lot with ZadigVoltaire. And people I don't agree with (like some Israelis that post things like «let's kick but!» or «we'll beat the heck out of you!») I just shrugged and carried on.
What prompted me to reply to Katiusha was his negative sayings about Lebanese wanting to be "like Europeans" (that is, living in peace) and portraying beligerant terrorists like the Hezbollah as the "true lovers" os Lebanon. That sociopath behaviour of seeing the longing for peace ("turning Lebanon into a Club Med resort") was too much for me and I couldn't keep from replying.
Once again, I just hope things start going back to normality. And I would like to thank ZadigVoltaire for hosting this blog and posting ideas we* don't always get to know from the media.

* In case you're wondering, I'm from Portugal (the whole Mediterranean away from all that mess). I'm not Jew, not Muslim, nor Christian. I'm an atheist and this whole thing adds to my convincement that religions bring more damage than good to the world.

By the way, yesterday was the 70th anniversary of the start of the Spanish Civil War (1,000,000+ dead). About that conflict, the Nobel Prize winner Camilo José Cela wrote in one of his books: «Spaniards don't believe in God: they believe in fire. God is but and excuse to light the bonfire.»
I believe you could exchange "Spaniards" by most nacionalities or faith...

20 July, 2006 00:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first i want to say something about nasralla's wards:"Israel is weak as a spider's web" , well, not if you are a fly...

you have to fight in order to have a country, to be worthy of one, not with Israel, Israel is not your enemy, hisbolla is, nasralla is.
you can't wash your hands and say:"my hands did not spill that blud", because by doing nothing and allowing hisbolla to mess with Israel you are just like nasralla and like him you will be treated.
we in Israel want peace much more then the lebanise people, so it seems but you're not like us, you want hisbolla to destroy Israel so, you have to bare the resolts.

when, and only when you will eccept israel's right to exist and get hisbolla out of lebanon's legitimate political life you will be entitled to a place of your own, it's your choice.

20 July, 2006 00:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This opinion is so exactly what is going on.

20 July, 2006 00:52  
Blogger IsrealiMom said...

Wow, quite a read, going through all the comments. But well worth it. Let me join my fellow country men (and women, Keren ;)), in wishing the Lebanese people nothing but peace and prosperity.
I think it was Sia'a who mentioned the fact that Lebanon, with its fragile society and political system can't be expected to restrain the Hezbulla and disarm it. I can see that, but frankly, what would you suggest? I mean, when I visit the border, it says Lebanon on the other side. If the Lebanese government cannot be held responsible for military action taken from that region, then maybe you guys should declare this a no man's zone and more the border line to the north? In a functioning regime, the government has to have a monopoly over armed actions. How else would you suggest that we handle the situation?

I hope some of you may find my post here interesting -
http://israelimom.blogspot.com/2006/07/civilians-in-line-of-fire.html

No one here enjoys the death of children, on either side of the border. Peace to all.

20 July, 2006 01:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear friend, though friendship may seem further from us now than at any other time...
I can't say sorry about the way Israel is methodically ruining your country for whatever reason they do. For once, I don't think any of you are in a position to accept an apology now, and I don't expect you to. Second, I can't take reponsibility for what the country I was born in, yet feel no attachment to, is doing to you.
All I can say is that my heart is with you, and I will march and protest and scream until Israel will stop bombing Lebanon and Occupying Palestine.
Salam Aleykum, Peace for all of us, and Shalom. I just wish we could speak, for once, without countries and borders between us.

An Israely Pacifist

20 July, 2006 01:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At this point of time on a blue planet located at some god forsaken place in the universe, the viral concept restoring golden ages of Islamic empire legend distorted by multitude of generation was leveraged by several random molecules collections so called "humanoids" to motivate more "humanoids" in state of ignorant despair to follow the distorted legend for sake of their fellow "humanoids" clan.

There is a potential nuclear result of this random constellation for wiping out planet earth.

No worries many more planets in the universe

We are simply cosmic dust.

The good news are that there is guarantee to maintain this constant state for the next couple of million years, some may call it eternity.

A citizen of the universe located in Israel

20 July, 2006 02:04  
Anonymous persian said...

Hi Gazilion and everyone else,

Thanks for clarification. It is not easy to stay focus when reading all these comments. I am find religion something at personal level and I hope we grow out of this multi religion problem. The sad thing is that all these people who are claiming to be so religious are coming from same rout! Was not Abraham the father of them all. Even if do some research you find so many similarities between them. I guess that’s why they kill each other.

But apart from that, is some thing wrong with Israel media?! I mean do they get the real update of what’s happening n Lebanon? I am really sorry for every one who is getting hurt in this crisis but the scale of operation in Lebanon is unbelievable! Some one said sorry for temporary inconvenient. Well this temporary inconvenient is claiming the lives of people like Zadig!!

It may sound dump but I think I should repeat it again that the whole problem is that Israel is killing Lebanese while Hezbollah is surviving it rather well. Have you asked yourself why the number of rockets has not dropped?! Should not that be a singe for the wrong approach taken so far?

@ Keren, I don’t have exact answer to your question since I am in UK but I can tell you that I have not heard anything in regards to your question neither in BBC nor other news channels. But it can not be impossible, however maybe not as big and serious as it is been reflected there!

I also have a question! What is Zionist? Is it like a part of Jews? Like Catholics and Protestant? Or Shies and Sunnis?

And also, does any one know how many people have been got killed in past 10 years at both sides of that border? How many Jews? How many Muslims? How many Christians and so on?

I hope for ceasefire and I hope to see more post from Zadig which would means that he is still alive.

Bless you all.

20 July, 2006 02:05  
Anonymous Tamir said...

"I will march and protest and scream until Israel will stop bombing Lebanon and Occupying Palestine. "

At least the writer has the guts to stand by his people during their time of crisis. You, on the other hand, are clearly a traitor during a time when your nation and fellow citizens are in a war. Soldiers have died to protect you so rockets won't reach your isolated desk. Residents of your very own country have died due to the killing bombarding from Hezbullah.

Yet, you are stuck in your basement somewhere out of missiles range, voicing opinions that are only of harm to your country. You, sir, are a hypocrite.

You're more than welcome to go to Cyprus and board one of the American\British\German cruisers into Lebanon, using a second citizenship you surely have. No one will miss you.

20 July, 2006 02:12  
Blogger Loreley said...

I am so sorry. I know that as an Israeli I'm supposed to be a "Ruthless Enemy", but reading this post, all I can say it that I am so very sorry. I wish you strength and peace, and I do hope Lebanon will come out of this and prosper again. This sucks for all of us.

20 July, 2006 02:20  
Anonymous Average Israeli said...

When trying to make sense of the madness that is going on in our region you have to try and let go of the historic conflict that the Arab world has with Israel and the Jewish people and focus on the sad facts that had lead us to this situation.

Israel was placed in Palestine by a decision made in the UN. From the moment that the decision was made it was clear to the palestinians and every other Arab country in the region that war was inevitable. In the first few wars that Israel had with the surrounding Arab nations Israel came out victorious and to better it's survival chances in future inevitable wars it occupied all the palestinian territory and parts of Egypt and later Lebanon. Israel has proven it has no interest in occupying another country's territory when it signed the peace treaty with Egypt and returned Sinai, since then Egypt and Israel enjoy a peaceful coexistence. Israel also proven in has no inherit hatred towards Arab countries by signing a peace treaty with Jordan. Israel kept occupying the palestinian and Lebanese regions in a claim that pulling out to the UN decided boarders would put Israeli civilians in danger. About seven years ago few Israeli citizens started a campaign that resulted in Israel's retreat from Lebanon after the UN made the 1559 directive. Israel's hope was that after it's retreat hezbollah would loose power since the "Israeli enemy" was gone and the Lebanese government will eventually gain enough power to implement directive 1559. Israel waited six years for that to happen, in these six years the hezbollah gained more and more power and got ready for the day Iran and Syria would activate it against Israel, all this time Israeli military personal watching this happen right under their noses. Last year Israel has finally given up hope of reaching any kind of agreement about pulling out of the Gaza strip while signing a peace treaty and decided to pull out without one and deal with the repercussions militarily. After a year of being hit by Kasam rockets and trying to fight the launchers by precise air strikes and navy strikes semi-successfully Israel had suffer an attack on a military base inside Israel's territory. In this attack two Israeli soldiers were killed and one was kidnapped. To Israel this was the last straw and it decided to Launce a military operation that it's goals were to stop the launching of the Kasam rockets into Israel and return Gilad Shalit, the kidnapped soldier. In the midst of that operation Hezbollah was activated against Israel, it attacked a military patrol jeep. In this attack two soldiers died and two were kidnapped into Lebanon. Before this attack Hezbollah created a diversion by firing Katyusha rockets on Israeli settlements, a few months before that Hezbollah tried to kidnap other soldiers and was stopped by an Israeli sniper. You all know what happened from here...

This long and simplified chronicle is the way an average Israeli citizen sees the history of the current conflict, I tried to make it as dry as possible. In our view the only way to stop terrorism (terrorism = An unprovoked military attack aimed against citizens) is to make it as un-beneficial as possible to terrorists, this is why the Israeli government won't make a prisoner swap to return the Israeli soldiers. Israel Defence Forces are trying not to hurt citizens in Gaza and Lebanon but this is difficult when rockets are being fired from villages and are hidden in ordinary residential houses. The Israeli government has to think about the safety of its citizens first and the safety of the Lebanese and Palestinian citizens second.

20 July, 2006 02:33  
Anonymous swissguy said...

Hi guys. Just a short post from a Swiss guy, about the 4th Geneva convention. I you check the text or a summary of it (e.g. on the wikipedia), you see that the 4th Geneva convention forbids a few things. It forbids to kill civilans or destroy their belongings. Which is exactly what's happening in Lebanon right now. It forbids collective punishement as well. Which is also what is happening. The text says "No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed". The non-respect of the last point constitutes a war crime. I am not inventing it. Check the text. All that I am saying is in the text. The 4th Geneva convention is basically not forbidding war, which is already an awful thing. It is just saying which basic rules should be respected when doing it. There is no excuse for not respecting these rules. Even if the other guy in front of you does not respect them, you have to respect them. If you don't do this, you are committing a crime -- namely a war crime, like Milosevic did in ex-Yougoslavia.

So watch out. There is no excuse if you don't respect these rules! They are pretty easy in this case. Don't bomb and kill civilians. Don't bomb their belongings. Don't do collective punishement.

May the peace be with all the Lebanese, all the Israelis and the region.

Cheers,

20 July, 2006 02:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello to you all,
About israel making a state where it has - it's a fact. There are a lot of points to each side about weather or not israel has the right to be there. I won't start that argue. But i will say this: every state has concered its land. America for instance has made many crimes while making the country, with the Indiens and with the African people, but no one asks if it has the right to be there, it's a fact. Israel exists and now we must find sulution so we can all live in peace, neer each other.
About the war, it seems that what ever move that Israel is trying to make to obtain peace, it bites us in the face. We got out of Gaza, and now the Palestinians are shooting rockets from there. We got out of Lebanon and what do we get? Again, rockets and kidnapped soliders. Is this is the way you wan't to make Israel leave more lands?
The fact about the war is this: Israel was atacked, from Lebanon lands. You say that Lebanon didn't wan't this. But not only that Lebanon has not acted againset it, it has not even declared that the are against those actions. So Lebanon has a big share of the blame to this war. While beeing atacked, Israel has no choice but to defend itself.
We are very sorry for the people who are dying but we do not do that on purpes, we are just trying to defend ourseleves. If in order to obtain some peace and quiet they have to die- so be it, they brought it on theirselves.

20 July, 2006 02:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At least the writer has the guts to stand by his people during their time of crisis. You, on the other hand, are clearly a traitor during a time when your nation and fellow citizens are in a war"

You, on the other hand, are speaking the facist dialect that those who have killed my grandparents used. "Traitor to the people"? How dare you use such language? Would a German who have lifted his voice against what the germans did back at the 1940's be a traitor to his people? Was the American who marched against the war in Vietnam which killed thousands on both sides a traitor? Were the hundreds of thousands who protested against the previous was in Lebanon, led by Sharon ( which led to our current situation ), Tratiors?
No. They were HUMANS before they were nationalists. I have values, surprisingly, and I stand by them even if my nation goes against them. Every soldier and every citizen in lebanon that dies is as much a victim to foolish ideology, the same foolish ideology by which you name me a tratior.
Don't be surprised if the day comes when all who speak against their country are shot in the head. If you want to fight and die for something, do it for mine and your freedom of speech, not for some "Nation" of brothers which turn to hate each other as soon as war ends ( This message goes to both sides, not just israelis. I am simply a part of none of them ).

the Pacifist.

20 July, 2006 02:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're dumber than your own leader. Nasralla is taking your people to it's doom and you retards are being walked to the slaughter-house like sheep. WAKE UP! Israel does NOT want anything to do with Lebanon. We already left 6 years ago, remember? But who made us come back? The head coward little prick who hides in bunkers and orders his men to fire behind small innocent children - Nas-retarded-allah himself.

20 July, 2006 02:57  
Anonymous persian said...

We have a phrase which says: If a dog bites you, you don’t bite it back!

Thanks to average Israeli person. I think that was a good summary, something which really can help to see the world trough your eyes. But I have one question for you? How do u relate the Syrian pulling out from Lebanon which happen in recent months?

Was not that a success and a huge progress? I should say Israel has done great job waiting those 6 years. But don’t you think that things just were starting to change? People were coming more anti-Hezbollah by supporting the government more than before? And government were gaining more power?

Don’t you think what’s happening now is going to leave an unsafe Lebanon which is a better place for more terrorist to grow as it is already happening in Iraq?

I ask you one question? How do you justify this if after another week of bombardon, Israel accepts the ceasefire and exchange the prisoners? And in two years time, Hezbollah repeats similar assault? I would feel sorry for all humans who lost their beloved ones for nothing but wrong doing of others.

Well I guess, we can do only one thing and that is to wait and see how it will be in the near future!

Bless you all

20 July, 2006 03:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must admit that I haven't read all the posts, but most. And I'll start by saying that I am in mourning; mourning for my people and mourning for the lebanese people; mourning for the crude manipulation of international and at times internal journalism that helps spread more irresponsible journalism, hatred and brain washing. I, an Israeli citizen, sitting at this hour in front of my comp am not your enemy. I dont want your land, I do not want casualties on either side, i do not want the fear of bombs or guilt or hatred, i've seen enough wars to last a lifetime. but i stand behind my governments determination to safeguard a normal life for its citizens. i stand behind it because i have no one to negotiate with: an organization whose only agenda is the annihilation of my people? a government that cannot control this organization? and what is excessive force on our behalf? how do you quantify human lives? would it be ok if we only killed a 100 lebanese citizens? no, it wouldnt, coz all life is sacred (and i am not a religious person). but our attacks started after our soldiers were kidnapped and we were bombarded, all at the same time. we do not negotiate anymore coz we've learnt our lesson: that it only encourages more kidnaps and attacks. i do not presume to be an astrategist, and i know that the attack on the lebanese infrastructure is devastating, but what choice have we got? what are we to do? are we supposed to cease fire and sit with our arms crossed as we are bombarded? (after all, the hezbollah will not stop). I have heard that lebanon is a beautiful country with amazing people, and i can only wish that we will some day find peace, both nations, as we have with other nations around us (that is in response to the one who wrote that we are "at war" with everyone around, ahh, to name a few, we are no longer at war with egypt or with syria). i know that taking control of the hezbollah demands alot of courage, but the lebanese people have done it before against syria, and i beleive that those willing will be able to do this as well. i know that we are now in a vicious cycle of loss and hatred, with every person killed on each side more hatred builds and accumulates a new generation. i wish our children could be spared, and i pray that somehow they will be. but i'm sorry, i dont have an answer. and thogh some might disagree with me, i feel that both we and the lebanese people have been held hostage by the hezbollah for too long, i only wish we could unite to put an end to this destruction and bloodshed on both sides.
in the meantime i wish you a quiet night, and pray (to whichever god there is) that this will all end.

20 July, 2006 03:11  
Blogger myself007 said...

ISRAEL: THE DOOMED ZIONIST PROJECT

By: Mohammed A. Hegazi

The two words "Israel" and "Palestine" cause much confusion for the average person in the West. The word "Israel", as used to indicate "The People of Israel", is an ancient concept that refers to a group of twelve Hebrew tribes, whom it is claimed have existed more than two thousand years ago. It is a notion deeply enshrined in religious mythology.

However, the word "Israel", as a reference to "The State of Israel", is a relatively new concoction, coined in 1947-1948 by the same evil forces that are still trying to control our destiny.
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The word "Palestine" is what you would have seen on pre-1948 maps as a smallish Arab country surrounded on all sides by other Arab countries and the Mediterranean Sea. In 1948, the word "Israel" was superimposed on the map to replace the word "Palestine". Since its inception, the borders of the newly created state of Israel have been shifting back and forth, after every war between the hostile Jews, predominantly East European, and their Arab neighbours. Turmoil has subsequently engulfed the region and a chronic problem has festered ever since. Israel is probably the only country on the globe with no defined borders, on virtually all sides.

From a Zionist viewpoint, the fact that Palestinian Arabs have constituted the overwhelming majority living in Palestine for the last 2000 years is irrelevant. The futility and irrationality of this argument is quite obvious. If we apply such Zionist logic, or lack thereof, to the rest of our miserable planet, further drastic changes should then be made. For example, according to such Zionist system of “applied history”, Americans should become refugees in tent camps over the borders with Canada and Mexico. White Australians should be shipped back in bulk to the United Kingdom.

Recent changes to the world’s geopolitical map were never based on ancient historical claims. Changes in South Africa or Zimbabwe, for example, were aimed at improving the socio-economic conditions of the native black population, after centuries of exploitation at the hands of white immigrants.

The corrections were aimed at relatively recent anomalies. No one in his right frame of mind would think of historical claims of 2000 years. But that is the kind of Zionist mentality we have to deal with, if we were to believe in the viability of negotiated ‘peaceful’ solutions.

Ironically, Zionist Jews also argue about the impossibility of changing “facts on the ground” that are fifty years old or less. They argue that ‘conquering’ other people’s land and occupying it by force should be a permanent irreversible feature. It is the kind of twisted argument by which a Zionist Jew would like not only to have his proverbial cake and eat it; he would like to have it, eat it and maybe also negotiate about selling it.

A second Zionist argument is the Biblical myth that God, the Almighty himself, has given them the exclusive rights to the land. Even Jews themselves realise the futility of this argument, since the early Zionists considered lands as disparate as Uganda and Uruguay as possible home venue for Jews, before deciding on Palestine. Upon doing so, they began glorifying the notion of the “Promised Land”. Fanatic Jews do indeed have an argument for all seasons.

The demographic composition of Palestine over the years refutes any Jewish claims to ownership of the land of Palestine. While a scarcity of data kept during the reign of the Ottoman Empire makes accurate statistics hard to come by, it is not hard to arrive at sound conclusions about the demographic distribution of Jews in Palestine over the centuries.

The Ottomans allowed some immigration by Jews into Palestine, and the movement continued after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire by the British in World War I. There was already a small number of Jews who had been living in Palestine at the time of the first waves of Zionist immigrants. They did not share the objective of an independent Jewish state. They were content with their state of affairs, where they enjoyed an affluent life style and had no problems with their Arab neighbours. It is those Eastern Jews who are now second-class citizens among their own people.

Palestine's Jewish population, mostly European Jews fleeing Europe, was under 8% of the total population in 1914(1). Jewish land ownership in Palestine was then under 2%. Despite active British Mandate assistance to the Zionist movement between 1918-1948 (based on the commitment Britain made to the Zionist movement in the infamous “Balfour Declaration”), Palestine's Jewish population in 1947 increased to only 33% of the total population(2). Jewish land ownership in Palestine was under 7% in 1947(3).

Half a century later, The Zionist entity has achieved little. The total number of Palestinians inside and outside of Palestine adds up to 8.2 million. The number of Jews in Palestine is 4.5-5 million. The ratio is still the same as it was in 1947, 2 to 1 in favour of the Palestinian people.

However, Jewish land ownership is increased by intimidation, land confiscation and an institutionalised process of gradual ethnic cleansing. Today, 80% of the Palestinian people are out of their homes, out of their country, out of the land upon which they lived and under which their ancestors are buried.

Jews in every Western country try their hardest to push the concept of multiculturalism, with all its notions of equality and harmony among all ethnic groups, Yet, when it comes to Israel they want a "Jewish State", and above all to maintain its "Jewish character". Such arrogance is being fostered by an increasing Jewish grip on the governments and institutions in Western countries.

Jews want to win each-way. They want a liberal global attitude towards race and ethnicity in all other countries, in order to creep freely on to positions of power in those countries. But when it comes to stolen Palestine, they want a “Jewish State” with a “Jewish character”. Deceit, arrogance, greed and dishonesty are not alien to an extremist Jewish thinking and way of life.

So, why was Israel established on 14 May 1948? Why did the world community, as represented by the United Nations, condone such a crime against the Palestinian people? A crime that lingered for more than half a century and will linger on until the racist Zionist entity is dismantled and the land is reclaimed by its rightful owners, the Palestinian people.

At the time, in 1948, the creation of Israel had the backing of the two rivals, the United States and the Soviet Union; an amazing concurrence during the cold war. Jewish intrigue and control of governments has no barriers. Super powers may differ on all contentious issues, but they will readily agree on anything their Jew masters dictate
The biblical myth of the “Promised Land” flourished in Europe only after Second World War. The British in mandated Palestine either failed or turned the blind eye to the flood of thousands of Jewish hordes that entered the country prior to 1947. Europe was more than happy to get rid of them, since the isolationist way of life of Jews was a major factor in generating hatred toward them in Europe. Palestinians never hated Jews until they robbed them of their country.

The early intentions for Palestine can be illustrated by what Chaim Weissman said in 1919(4):
“We have agreed to accept the original stipulation of the British Government as follows: It is clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status of Jews living in other countries. You see, our aims for the present are modest and cautious. Later, an Independent Government of Palestine will be a natural outgrowth of the new circumstances and conditions.”… end quote.

The element of Zionist deceit and intrigue was there from the beginning. The promise of not prejudicing the civil and religious rights of the Palestinians was never kept. Instead, a gradual process unfolded by which Palestinians were evicted from their homes to make room for more Jewish immigrants.

“Transferring" European Jews to Palestine and "transferring" the Palestinian people out was the main theme of the Zionist movement. Ben Gurion stated in 1944:

"Zionism is a TRANSFER of the Jews. Regarding the TRANSFER of the Arabs this is much easier than any other TRANSFER. There are Arab states in the vicinity . . . . and it is clear that if the Arabs are removed this will improve their condition and not the contrary."(5)

The process continued unabated. The more concessions the Palestinians made, the greedier the Zionists became. While Palestinians eventually agreed to divide Palestine between themselves and the racist Jewish invadors, the latter refused and started building Jewish colonies in the Palestinian section earmarked for a future Palestinian state. Namely: Gaza and the West Bank. Is that a gesture of good will? Jews sat in mock peace negotiations talking concessions while building more Jewish colonies in the West bank. Everybody, including the UN, appear to view the original 1947 partition plan as dead. The plan was stillborn anyway; Zionists had their own plans.

Western corporate media invented the cliché "Israel's right to exist". Who gave such a right to a parasitic racist entity that was carved by force in 1948? It is no coincidence that Arabs surround Israel on all sides. The land on which Israel was created belonged to the Palestinian Arabs. Palestinians lived in Palestine on a land that has layers upon layers of their ancestry. The majority of Jews in Palestine are no more than hordes of East Europeans and others, who have no roots or any association with the land.

In order to understand thoroughly the changing geographical landscape of the region, we have to go as far back as the end of the First World War when the Turkish Ottoman Empire totally disintegrated. Palestine was then among the former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain, under the Mandates System adopted by the United Nations pursuant to Covenant Article 22.
All the "Mandated Territories" became fully independent states except Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice", the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". The Balfour Declaration is best described by a famous Arabic quip, "He who did not own gave a promise to those who did not deserve."

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, Britain turned the blind eye to illegal large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe. The numbers swelled in the 1930s with the alleged Nazi persecution of Jews. Hitler used to drive truckloads of Jews to be dumped over Germany's borders. Many years later myth had it that he used to kill them in "gas chambers" and roast the corpses in pizza ovens. It has been a great dollar-earner for all Jews expelled from Germany, who later called themselves "survivors", but that is another story about which revisionist scholars have written volumes. The German people have no blood on their hands. It is the Jewish gangsters in Palestine who have their hands soaked in Palestinian blood, which they continue to spill for the sake of a fanatic project that is doomed to failure.

Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration were never heeded by Britain. The British government, like many other European governments, has always been under Jewish control. This led to a Palestinian rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing violence between the indigenous Arabs and the migrating Jewish squatters.

What used to be called “Great Britain” had a devilish policy of leaving behind disputable regions and border problems among newly independent countries. Examples that would come to mind are Kashmir between India and Pakistan, three tiny islands between Iran and the Arab Emirates and an undefined border between Qatar and Arabia. Immediately after World War II, Great Britain tried to implement various formulas in order to further complicate the situation in Palestine. In 1947, after contributing to the creation of a murky mess, Great Britain turned the problem over to the United Nations.

Various alternatives were examined by the UN. Eventually, it proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalised. (Refer to Resolution 181 (II) of 1947.) Time was then ripe for the execution of the Zionist grand scheme. The partition plan was then only a vision with no clear plan for its execution. "Israel" unilaterally declared its independence. Palestinians and their Arab neighbours, detested the idea of slicing Palestine into two sections. War erupted in 1948.

Zionist and extremist Jews spare no effort to offer a distorted record of historical facts. They nurture a fondness for sweeping generalisations like, "Those Palestinians were offered a state in 1947, but they refused. They fought us and lost." It is this kind of distortion that exploits the complexity of the issue in order to propagate similar lies. Some revision of history is required here.

All Arab countries were then under the rule of puppets appointed by or loyal to foreign powers, mainly British or French. Royal families, usually of dubious Jewish origins, were erected in several Arab countries. An Albanian family from the times of the Ottoman Empire continued to rule Egypt. Such rulers and governments of mixed loyalties mounted a farcical war in 1948 against the hordes of "Zionist" squatters in Palestine. Corruption and outright treason by Arab rulers prevailed. The Egyptian Army fought with faulty weapons, bought in shabby arms deals by corrupt politicians. The Iraqi army did not fire a single bullet because they “had no orders” (The famous Arabic cliché “maco awamer”). The lame effort resulted in the expansion of "Israel" to occupy 77 per cent of the original territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. The invading squatters went on an orgy of wanton massacres and intimidation. It resulted in forcing more than half of the indigenous Palestinian population out of Palestine.

So, to claim that the Palestinians rejected the partition plan, fought and lost, must be qualified by a statement that incompetent Arab governments were the main party that rejected the partition plan and contributed to the mess that followed.

According to the original UN partition plan, what may now be termed the "occupied territories' were previously the "West Bank" then occupied by Jordan, the Gaza strip occupied by Egypt and the land in between, occupied by the newly formed "Israel". Israel also occupied half of Jerusalem. So, in 1948 Israel was established on the territory suggested by the partition plan and, in defiance of that plan, also occupied parts of the suggested Palestine and half of Jerusalem, which was supposed to be internationalised.

Zionist Jews of Israel subsequently inspired Zionist Jews of the US as early as 1967, when they introduced the concept of the "pre-emptive strike", which was later often mentioned in the ramblings of George Walker Bush, as a means of protecting the US against its assumed enemies. Needless to say, the US is working hard on making such enemies via a bankrupt foreign policy.

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of the original Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This also included the remaining Eastern part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The Israelis also occupied the Sinai Peninsula, which was part of Egypt. Sinai was an important part of the blueprint for the Zionist grand scheme of "Greater Israel". The "six day war" in 1967 brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at about half a million.

Security Council resolution 242 of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict. Like all other such UN resolutions, it was never observed. Israel continued to defy the world, under the protection of the Zionist Jews controlling the US government. Instead of forcing Israel to abide by the decisions of the world community, it continued to pour financial aid into the coffers of the Israeli government. Israel has had governments headed by terrorists and war criminals from David Ben Gurion to Ariel Sharon. But that never worried the “friends of Israel” in the White House.

In 1973, another war erupted. I am not going to bore you with the known details of the conflict, but I would like to posit a theory of my own. It is a historical fact that Anwar Sadat of Egypt was an agent of the US. It was revealed by CIA declassified documents that he was on their pay roll, together with the late King Hussein of Jordan. It follows that Sadat must have had some level of co-ordination with the US.
The US did not come to the rescue of Israel until after three days of fighting, during which time the Israeli army was devastated. Was it some punishment from some quarters of the US, to avenge the attempt by the Israelis at sinking the US spy ship ”Liberty” in 1967? It is obvious that the war was conducted by Egypt within certain imposed limitations that did not allow the Egyptian army to push on for a comprehensive victory while it could. Who knows? We might wait for another thirty or forty more years before the facts are known, if ever. Sadat killed his army generals, who knew all the facts, in a staged helicopter crash, where the only survivor was the helicopter pilot.

Sadat himself was later killed, most likely at the instigation of the CIA, and the blessings of his successor. Unfortunately, dead people do not say much. But as far as we know, Sadat made his pre-rehearsed “surprise” visit to the Israeli Knesset and drove another nail into the coffin of Arab unity against Israel, their common enemy and the enemy of humanity.

In 1974, the UN General assembly once again affirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, independence, sovereignty and the right of return. Israel, to this very day, denies such rights to the Palestinians, while giving the right to any Jew on Earth to migrate to Israel, in order to live on stolen Palestinian land.

In 1975, the UN established a “Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.” The PLO was given observer status in the Assembly and all UN conferences.

The period that followed saw little activity until June 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon in pursuit of the PLO. When a truce was arranged, PLO fighters withdrew from Beirut to neighbouring countries. Unarmed Palestinian refugees fell victim to Lebanese militias loyal to Israel, in the large-scale massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, for which the war criminal Ariel Sharon was responsible.

In September 1983, the “International Conference on the Question of Palestine”, which was widely attended, adopted the “Geneva Declaration” containing the following principles:
“The need to oppose and reject the establishment of settlements in the occupied territory and actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, the right of all States in the region to existence within secure and internationally recognised boundaries, with justice and security for all the people, and the attainment of the legitimate, inalienable rights of the Palestinian people.
But that is all talk and no action on the part of the UN. We all know that Israel has never paid much attention to UN resolutions. Besides, one country after another, including the US, did or are contemplating the idea of moving their embassies from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem; thus approving of its annexation by Israel in defiance of UN resolution 181 of 1947.
In December 1987, a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation began in the occupied Palestinian territory (The First Intifadah). Methods used by the Israeli forces during the uprising resulted in mass injuries and heavy loss of life among the civilian Palestinian population. In October 1991, The Madrid Peace Conference was convened. Negotiations were carried out along two parallel tracks:
Between Israel and the Arab States, and between Israel and the Palestinians. The basis for negotiation was Security Council resolutions 242 of 1967 and 338 of 1973. Mutual recognition resulted between the Government of the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). The parties signed the “Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government”. Arrangements in September 1993 resulted in a partial Israeli withdrawal and the election of the Palestinian Council and the president of the Palestinian Authority. Palestinians took over the administration in the areas under Palestinian self-rule.

In real terms, Palestinians were assigned the dirty job of rounding up the militant elements amongst them, for the benefit of the enemy. It was a formula that later proved divisive and disastrous.

The UN General Assembly welcomed the Declaration of Principles and reaffirmed that "the United Nations has a permanent responsibility with respect to the question of Palestine until the question is resolved in all its aspects in a satisfactory manner in accordance with international legitimacy.” Does this empty rhetoric amount to much? Very little indeed, other than giving Israel more time to procrastinate while maintaining the status quo, as a precursor to further violation and expansion.

During the past few years, there has been some concern at the stalemate in the peace negotiations. Arab governments find refuge in empty, futile negotiations as a means of dampening the anger of their people. The world is concerned about acts of violence against civilians, the actions of the government of Israel with regard to Jerusalem, the so-called settlements, land confiscation, demolition of Palestinian homes and other acts of collective punishment of civilians. Much has been said, but very little was done to put Israel on leash. The events in the US of 11 September 2001, and the subsequent phoney “war on terror”, have obscured the situation and given Israel’s war criminals a free hand to reoccupy the remainder of Palestine, but at a price. Continued “Shahada Strikes” (martyrdom) by courageous Palestinian youth are followed by reprisal counter-strikes from the Israeli Army.
Israel has been on an extended state of emergency for the last couple of years, as a result of the “Second Intifada”. This is crippling the Israeli economy. Every able Israeli is supposedly ready for active army service, further disrupting civilian life and the economy.

Now, I arrive at the main point I am trying to make. Why is Israel doomed? Young Palestinians are willing to die for their country, using the only weapon available to them, Shahada bombing strikes. Western media learnt what the term “Intifada” meant. It is high time it knew what ‘Shahada” is. It is the noblest form of self-sacrifice. Palestinian young men and women, as young as sixteen, do not fear death. The level of their courage defies Western logic.

The concept of Shahada is alien to Western mentality. They call it “suicide bombing”. American Jewish media cynically call it “homicide bombing”. The idea of self-sacrifice is so incomprehensible to the materialistic Western mindset that they can only see it as an act of desperation, of someone with no interest in living. It cannot be seen as an act of self-denial ; a sacrifice by one for the sake of all. It is a unique concept that has no parallel in Western culture. Therefore, it has to be looked at as an abnormal phenomenon.

Westerners cannot understand the idea that an individual dies in order that his family and his people may live. Palestinians suffer no shortage of young people willing to sacrifice their own lives for their stolen country. According to the Palestinian centre for Human rights, more than 50% of the population is under 19 years of age and population growth is about 5%. So, there will be no shortage of Shahada strikers. Zionists will always be up against a weapon for which there is no defence.

The growing hatred of Jews is not confined to young Palestinians. Young people all over the world are coming to grips with the facts about Jewish atrocities in Palestine and the Jewish danger in their own countries. A recent survey by the Institute of Jewish and Community Research in San Francisco gives us indications that the world is waking up to the danger of extremist Jewish supremacists, who want to control us. The Washington Post, which is a Jewish-controlled newspaper, is sounding the alarm to all Jews. It published the findings of the survey in an article on 21 January, 2003 saying:

“Anti-Semitism may be increasing in the United States as more young adults express bigoted views about Jews than do middle-aged Americans, according to a national poll. On question after question, researchers found that the proportion of Americans ages 18 to 35 who held anti-Semitic views was consistently higher than the percentage of middle-aged Americans who shared those attitudes.
For example, nearly one in four young adults­­23 percent­­agreed with the statement that Jews were a "threat" to the country's "moral character," a view shared by 15 percent of Americans between ages 45 and 54. And 20 percent of young adults agreed that Jews "care only about themselves," compared with 12 percent of middle-aged Americans.”… End quote.

In my opinion, such awakening is due to the ease of obtaining information via the wonderful flow of the Internet. Gone are the days when the BBC or CNN were the main sources of news, dissipating misinformation and shaping public opinion. I recall an anecdote at the time of the qualifying games for the Soccer World Cup of 1998. Iran had been demonised by the Jew-controlled Western media for years; still is being demonised by George W. Bush and the Jews in control of the US administration. Australia played Iran away in Tehran on 22 November 1997. The amazed Australian soccer commentator “Les Murray” could not help express his astonishment at the difference between the real Iran he was witnessing and the distorted image the Jewish American media painted for him. He couldn’t help frequently reiterating that sentiment during the relay of the match to Australia. He was amazed and impressed by the discipline and sportsmanship of the crowds and the general way of life as he saw it.

By the same token the Jewish Western media has depicted the Palestinians as savages who kill themselves because of their ‘fanatic Moslem indoctrination’ and the promise of a lavish lifestyle in Heaven. This level of distortion is no longer possible. The Internet is choking the filthy Jew-controlled mass media. I receive stacks of e-mail messages and addresses of Internet sites showing profound understanding of the global Jewish conspiracy, which is not just a theory. It is a fact unfolding before our very eyes.

Palestine lies in the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, not on the disjointed bits offered in phoney perpetual peace talks. Historical precedent dictates that Palestinians will free their land. Until then, there will be no respite in the letting of blood on both sides. Jews have only themselves to blame.

My prediction that Israel is a doomed project is not based on my own wishful thinking; it is based on historical precedent. History tells us that whenever you have an oppressed people willing to stand up and fight for their freedom, the end result is victory for the disenfranchised.

The French were driven out of Algeria. The indigenous blacks of South Africa freed their country from the white apartheid regime. History has a habit of repeating itself. Peoples and nations also have the bad habit of not heeding the lessons of history.

To my mind, the freedom of the Palestinian people from their Zionist oppressors may be much closer than the freedom of their fellow Arabs from their backward, corrupt rulers.

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(1) Righteous Victims, Benny Morris, p. 83
(2) Ibid, p. 83
(3) The Birth of the Palestine Problem 1947-1949, Benny Morris, p. 170
(4) Chaim Weissman, chairman of the British Zionist Committee,
New York Times, 28 February 1919.
(5) Expulsion of the Palestinians, Nur Masalha, p. 159

20 July, 2006 03:16  
Anonymous Art said...

Hi.
I've been reading through most of the comments here, and felt an urge to spill out some of my thoughts. I am not a delusional peace activist, but I do condemn my goverment's actions. We're not at war, we're all being brainwashed to believe we are - by the media, the blind fanatics that are all around and by the ignorant west states, who really should look after their own business for everybody's sake. Maybe it's a good time to mention I'm hailing from Haifa - and judging by how the sirens here make me shiver each time they go off, I will never be able to fully comprehend what it's like to live in a city suffering continuous air raids - but I want to say, that my heart is out with all of you there. Most of the people just seem to hate all the wrong factions. I, for one, do not hate the arabs, the Lebanese or whoever else that hasn't harmed me in any fashion. I do hate politics and religious fanatisicm of any shape and colour, instead. My goverment is afraid. It has all the intelligence it'll ever need concerning Hizbollah, and it perfectly knows it has to deploy some ground forces in order to eradicate it, instead of those senseless airstrikes. But, that'll cost in soldiers' lives, which will immidiately lead to a huge scandalous dispute within Israel - and that's what they fear of. Well, soldiers are meant for fighting, and as much grief it may bring, dying as well. But, from what I've learned in my 3 years spent in the IDF, is that this army is amateurish at best. Everyone just cares for their own asses and salaries (concerning officers and those with signed contracts). What else would you expect from an army that deploys kids, under 20 years of age, in situations most of adults won't be able to judge and handle with. I've witnessed the recent intifada first-hand during my service, including some not very pleasant incidents at villages that were supposed to be populated with "friendly" arab population. And, being that 20 year old kid, that, as I've mentioned, make the backbone of this army, I had almost paid with my life. Add some ignorant reservist divisions to the above equasion, and you'll have some pretty good picture drawn of the current state of events. Anyways, I've deviated somewhat from the subject. I despise Hezbollah as much as I do my own goverments, but not as much as goes for all those political intrigues in the region, and not only within its borders. Sorry if my comments have become too long and maybe a little disorganized - it's just that I felt that some things had to be said, even though I still feel not everything was spoken of. So, until I gather up with some more thoughts, I would like to adress to all the Lebanese folk who might read this. I beg for your forgiveness, I hope you'll keep your sanity and I wish for a brighter future to shine on all of us.

20 July, 2006 03:21  
Anonymous barak said...

there is no one to blame.
the fact is that hezblaa brought terror to this area. and hezbllea must be stoped. but the sad thing is that some pepole must pay the price and pepole which are paying tjhe price is lebanonize and isralies pepole. which are in the line of fire.
i just hope and for peace between us. and for helath for all of us.
in hope to a brighter future.

20 July, 2006 03:26  
Anonymous simple israeli woman said...

dear friend,
i really feel bad for you, and also for mysely. i am beeing bombed 8 days, just because nasralla didn't forecast the israeli reaction.
he was suer that once again he will get away with kinapping israeli soliders.
the man is ruining lebanon in the name of the same god we both believe in.

we wanted peace. after 20 long years, we, the israeli part who wanted peace won and the army withdrough from lebanon. the borders were approved by the UN.

he had no reason except pure hatered to do what he did, and now he will fall, taking lebanon with him to the grave.
i feel pitty for you' the normal' sane people of lebanon. i want peace with you INSHALLA.

20 July, 2006 03:26  
Anonymous persian said...

Why no one listen?! These are normal people like you and me who are getting killed

From BBC:

The Lebanese prime minister has called for an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah militants, saying his country "has been torn to shreds".

Fouad Siniora said more than 300 people had been killed and 500,000 others displaced in a week of Israeli attacks.

Hezbollah issued a statement saying "no Hezbollah leaders or personnel were killed in the strikes".


Twenty-nine Israelis have died - including 15 civilians killed by rocket attacks - since the Israeli offensive against Hezbollah militants began eight days ago.

20 July, 2006 03:45  
Anonymous Average Israeli said...

@Persian: Sometimes in a democracy the government can't take the wiser course of action. The PM of Israel can't tell the people that voted for him that they should accept the fact that Hezbollah is firing rockets at them and kidnapping their sons because it's a wiser course of action. Besides, as I said in my previous post, the Israeli government is responsible for the safety and well being of its citizens.

Although I don't agree with some of the humanitarian choices made by the Israeli government I understand that this is a complicated situation and I believe that they are trying their best to avoid any unnecessary harm to innocents. Unfortunately if the Israeli Air Force has to make a choice between killing Lebanese citizens or not destroying a Hezbollah weapon cache that will be used against Israeli citizens it's its job to make the second choice. And of course there are mistakes and accidents but that is unavoidable.

20 July, 2006 03:51  
Blogger Gil Jdid said...

Let me see... 7 days of fighting now, 300 Lebanese civilians dead, 500 injured, hald a million displaced, the whole county in ruins, no food, no water, no electricity, no medicin, no proper hygene. 29 Dead in Israel, 18 of them Soldiers, One building half collapsed in Haifa. Nt my calculations as normal human being, Israel is more of a terrorist. But who cares! The US certainly not, while Mr. Bush chews on his food like a camel in the UN, he thinks there is no need for a rushed ceasefire. Israel has the right to defend itself.

Well let me tell you something, i hate Hizbollah more than I hate you, but when I see what you are doing to the people, without any heart, without any remorce, without any human behaviour, I do tend to rejoice from hearing that your people is scared too.

You want to know the truth? Israel is an OCCUPATION. 27 UN resolutions ignored by the state of Israel since 1948. The US Vetos every new attempt by any or all other nations to issue new resolutions against it. The US sends endless support in cash and weapons to Israel, the OCCUPATION. And they ask us to just ging up?

Once again I hate Hizbollah, who is nothing but a stupid party serving the interrest of Iran and Syria, but if he is capable of just giving you Israelis, and you Americans, a small meanigless worry... Now its makes me happy.

And No I am not Muslim, I am not a terrorist either, not black, not arab and not chinese nor Korean nor Russian.

20 July, 2006 04:16  
Anonymous An Israeli Who Wants Peace said...

"Our enemy Israel is killing us but at least its civilians are dying and it is paying the price of its military adventure"

Let me assure you that no one in Israel is happy to here about innocent Lebanese civilian deaths. You should not be rooting for more deaths, you should be rooting for peace.

Let me assure you another thing - if Israeli people weren't being killed in the first place this whole thing wouldn't have happened. The katusha firings didn't start last Wednesday; the Hezbulah was firing them and killing innocents way before we started bombing you guys.

20 July, 2006 04:39  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

swissguy, I checked. The 4th Geneva Convention only forbids that these things be done to "protected persons" - civilians under occupation. Lebanon isn't occupied by Israelis. However, if the Lebanese government renounces Hezbollah, then it can fairly claim the population of southern Lebanon is under Hizbollah occupation and its behavior must change to conform with the Geneva Conventions, lest its members face prosecution by an international or domestic tribunal.

20 July, 2006 05:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the the sad truth:
If Hezbollah (and Hamas for that matter) laid down their arms, the fighting would stop the next day.
If Israel laid down it's arms, there woold be another holocaust.

20 July, 2006 06:31  
Anonymous Shahar said...

Hey mate

I am from Haifa in north israel , and we have dozens of rockets falling here every day too.

wanted to say -hang in there and be strong man - you are our brothers

hope this bullshit will be over soon

20 July, 2006 06:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what do you think that you can kill and take our pepole and get away ? no nornal country will agree with this.we just want peace and to live a normal life, if not you will pay the price not nasralla or soria or iran only you the pepole of lebanon. i dont like to see pepole dead but i prefer to see them in lebanom instade of in haifa.
izik.israel

20 July, 2006 07:12  
Blogger israeli_wishing_peace said...

we want peace. we are not killing in "the name of religion". you and your government has allowed this snake called Nasrallah live in your country so do not be surprised if you pay the price. WHY have you let him stay ? WHY did you not throw him out like you did to Syria?
I am sad, for you, for us, for the region.
Please help us to drive them out and sigh a peace treaty. That is all we want.

20 July, 2006 07:35  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Anon 07:12, Why? Why are they better dead in here than where you are? If they're innocent either way, I can't understand how Innocent Lebanese dying is possably better than Innocent Israelis dying...?
Myself, I believe that civilian deaths in this sort of armed conflict is simply a tragedy. What wrong did they do?

20 July, 2006 07:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You condemn Israel for invading Lebanon. You say Lebanon is not responsible for Hezbollah. I want to tell you that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government, and If Lebanon is a sovereign country, so it is responsible for its actions and to its borders, responsibility Lebanon is refusing to take.
Terrorism is a bad thing, says France, and adds that a response to terrorism on France can include nuclear attack (said by president Shirak not so long ago) . But – if terrorism is targeting Israel and Israeli citizens, well, they can live with it. After all, the Muslims just want to protest the occupation. Let me remind you: Israel left Lebanon more than six years ago. It withdrew from Gaza almost a year ago, but in return to this steps Israel gets rocket attacks to its civilian territories. Don’t try to say Israel attacks Gaza and Lebanon over 3 kidnapped soldiers. It is only part of the big picture in which terror groups launch missiles on populated areas. What would you do if your cities were attacked in this way? Sit and do nothing? I don’t think so!!!
I just want to tell all of you my European friends, we are not the last address of Islam’s fundamentalism, we are just getting hit first since we’re on the front line with the Arab world.

You encourage recent attacks on Israeli cities and town from rockets launched from Gaza and from Lebanon, by ignoring the fact those launches even happen and are taking lives of Israeli civilians. By only covering the Palestinian and Lebanese casualties, by not condemning Terrorism and abductions on a sovereign land, you encourage more actions like these. And by doing so, you call them upon your doorstep, from within your society. There are millions of Muslims in Europe just waiting for a call upon Jihad. The feel Allah is with them now. We call upon you to wake up, Europe, and face the problems. Try to find alternative energy sources, like the Japanese do, since they got fed up with the Arab world “oil politics”. The Arab world buy your silence with oil, and you swallow it.
Another point for your thoughts:
Why when Japan wants to launch a preemptive strike on North Korea, which only tested missiles is not condemned, but when Palestinians or Lebanese invade Israel and take lives, (of civilians too if you check closely not just on the headlines), and Israel in acts of self defense attack those territories, is seen as an aggressor?!
By trying to look deep into the situation and condemning such acts as they begin, demanding the full stop of missiles launching to Israeli territories, Israel could avoid the measures it is taking now, saving hundreds of lives for all sides involved.

20 July, 2006 07:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How rude crude, discourteous, impolite; primitive, simple, unsophisticated; harsh, severe!
Yes, I am talking to the world. How can you say to Israel that the Israeli reaction to this situation is exaggerated? How easy is that for those countries to talk!
Think about it, put your self in our shoes (situation) - What would you have done if your country got attack?

Not just attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- Kidnapping soldiers
- Killing soldiers
- Killing innocent people
- Rockets, missile (whatever you want to call it) from the North to the South, and who knows if may be in the center of Israel (lets hope not).
- Suicide bomb (explosion), and much much, more.
- Also, young children are out there throwing big rocks on our Israeli soldiers at the Israeli border. They Israeli soldiers can't do anything, because the world is always on our neck. How would you feel?
Now, to make things clear or to remind (World), Israel does not want a war with any of those countries!!!!!

We gave away:
-Gaza
-We remove all of the people from Gush Katif (I am ashamed how we send away our own people for what?)
-We had an agreement with the Arab (Oslo Accords)
-We gave away medication, food, weather, electricity, fuel, weapon, and much, much more.
-We let the prisoners see their own families and lawyers.

The list is longer! However, I think we made our point!

We love Israel, and we want to live here in peace (state of not being at war; silence, quietness). So, we gave and we gave and they only thing that we got from them is a slap in our face. It hurts!

Now, the Israeli government must do whatever it takes to protect the people in Israel ( nation!)

Excuse us if we are killing innocent people, after all they made the first move to Israel (bad move) and they sympathize with their own LEADER!

How come the government let Hozballa enter the Lebanon country? Why the nation is helping the Hozballa?
If anyone allows terrorists to operate within their country they can expect a war - surely?

Thank you,
Israeli citizen
The State of Israel

20 July, 2006 07:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's something for the moderate lebanese and the worried Israeli to think about, which is also rarely mentioned in any threads of blogs.
The moderate Lebanon would seek democracy and progress, which might happen if Israel left anything standing after this whole affair.

In any democracy, radical groups try and succeed in growing their ideas and influences. Be it by propaganda or by sheer number of followers (birth rate included).
Years will go by, but it's likely that in the end, Hizb-Alla will BE the elected government of lebanon ... which in turn will make the Lebanon army become Hizb Alla's army to do its will.

Worried Israeli, in such a scenario, how will deploying the south lebanese army in the southern border help anything.

It's just a matter of time, as it is in Egypt, Jordan, India/Pakistan, all over Europe, and yes, even showing first signs in regions of China.
Islam is taking a dark shape and is doing so fast.

Hope is little :(

20 July, 2006 08:17  
Anonymous Roy From Israel said...

Shalom and Salam to all
I have read part of the correspondence here and felt some urge to share my thoughts with you all.

Last year, when Rafik Hariri was assassinated, i felt sorry for you, my Lebanese neighbors.

When i saw your demonstrations against Syria shortly after the assassination, I was happy for you.
I thought that this might be the beginning of a new era for you, an era that might even get us closer as neighbors.

And now, when i watch the Israeli Army, my Army, demolishing your country, i fill sad for you once again.

You know why?
It is simple…
It’s because i don’t hate you, and I never did. And like most Israelis that don’t hate you.
I am sad for you and for us that so many of you see us as enemies. I am sad that so many of you don’t see the real enemy. Iran, Syria, Hizzbala, Hamas, and many other fundamental groups, terrorists, radicals, that make gains on our back (ours and yours).

Unfortunately, with all the sadness, it is important to understand that I, like most of the Israelis, am supporting my government - a 100%.

We have a border between us. and if you are unable to restrain radical groups in your country. if you let them run the show. if you allow them to kidnap Israelis, from within Israel. and if you allow them to send rockets at us just as a provocation. If you allow them all the above and do nothing, its either you support them (which i hope is not the case) or you cant get reed of them.

Sorry...we just had no other choice but to step in and do the job for us, for you, and for the rest of the world.

I am sorry for all innocent people that are heart on both sides of the border.
If you want to put an end to this war...put some more pressure on your government to send Nassrala back to his friends in Iran or Syria.

I suspect however, that they will not take him in.
Why take a risk. Its more comfortable for them to help him fight from Lebanon. because when Israel will retaliate, they will not get heart, Israel will once again be considered brutal, and they will only benefit.

The saddest thing is, that when this is over, you will hate us even more. and it will take another 10 years for your country to recover, and than, some other lunatic will drive us back into fighting.

I hope that this war will be over as soon as possible. for all of us.

RoY

20 July, 2006 08:59  
Blogger medvegonok said...

I do not want to be your enemy and I am very sorrow on what is happen between our countries. The only thing that I want is that bands from all over Arab countries will stop attacking my country.

20 July, 2006 09:27  
Anonymous swissguy said...

Solomon2: the Geneva convention is not only limited to occupied territories. Here a few snipptets that makes us understand the point of that convention. It is taken from the official text, from the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm):

Article 2: "In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance."

Article 4: "Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals."

The two previous snippets apply fully to what's happening now between Israel and Lebanon. Therefore the lebanese people constitutes persons protected by the 4th convention.

Later on we can read:

Article 32. "A protected person/s shall not have anything done to them of such a character as to cause physical suffering or extermination ... the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment."

Article 33. "No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited."

So we see exactly what I had said in my first post. The lebanese people are protected persons according to this 4th Geneva convention. Killing of civilians, destroying of their property and collective punishements are all strictly prohibited.

So don't mess around with that kind of things guys. Watch out to respect the rules of war if you want to make war, what is already sad and what should be used only as a last ressort. But if you do war, do it according to the rule.

Cheers,

20 July, 2006 09:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm am Israeli and I'm dreaming the day Beirut will be clean from teror and we could see this beautiful city. I know there is good people put there, tell the other to stop hating all the time, hekp us to kill Hizbaala. And then Lebanon would be a great country to live in.
yours
israeli

20 July, 2006 10:17  
Blogger mike said...

hello evryone israelis and lebenonis
hello evryone there who is reading this letter. first of all i want to apologaize if my english not so well but ill try o.k. i bealive that u will understand evrything.
so, here it is, first of al my name is Mike and i am from israel from Nahariya. as u know Nahariya has boombed all the time even now thia city got the most boombs from all the citys. me myself thinking that its not good and not healty to enyone. alot of peaple dying ther both of sides a lot of destruction and its very bad. but u know what and i know deep in my heart that u r lebenonis who lives ther in the south u hate the Hizbala and dont want them there at all couse they r destroy your life there and threat u that hey will kill u and your family and i thing beacouse that u cant do nothing. so what i advising u to all the lebenonis that against that hizbala write here in the internet as more ull write as many peaple will indentify with us and maybe like that we will get out the fucking hizballa to syria!!!!! i know that u r not guilty at all, maybe a little that u dont fight with syria, maybe u r afraid from them but if u all will go and ull be against syria evrything could change. syria and eran r guilty with evrything eran suplay the money and syria the man to hizbala, this 2 countrys r need to "fix" them and kill al who threaten on the world.
and this is a big message to syria and eran, u r so week, so week that u already start to talk like chikens before someone came to u and talk with u, yes yes and remmember one thing and save it into your head for on's and all: israeli army is the best in the world it was always we r the best and we dont afraid nothing at all!!! maybe we r not suicide and not fanatik like u (hizbala) beacouse its not in our religene that "fanatik" word and even not in yours its something that u made it up, but dont worry this time its for real and this time its to the end and dont worry syria u r not so threat like u r show your self, and we and i and i bealive all the lebenonis pray that israel army will bombed u for once at all. dont worry it will come and when it will come..... u will see and u will cry so many tears will fall from u like the our and lebenonis tears that falling now at this days.

u know what i realy dont understand but all the world and i mean al the world have problem with the muslems why for got sick only with u? something is wrong with u gugs, maybe u want to rull of all over the world and if u cant so u go to other option to suicite, tis is good? ha?

20 July, 2006 13:14  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

swissguy, the conditions of Article 4 are not fulfilled by the current Israeli action because Lebanese civilians are not "in the hands" of Israeli forces.

20 July, 2006 14:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the lebanese.
Have you ever wondered why your neighborhoods are bombed?
Let me answer that question for you. That's because Hizbollah members are your neighboors. You are all basicly human shields for the Hizbollah! They are using you! If Hizbolllah lived in it's own neighborhood far away from normal people it would have been bombed and not your houses. Israel is a democratic and highly moral country that respects the right to live but it cannot tolerate terrorism against it's people. As a consequence to your weird choice of neighboors, Israel is forced to bomb your area. So it's not too late! When the war is over you will have a chance to learn from your mistakes and not let terrorists live near you and use you like they do now.

20 July, 2006 14:33  
Anonymous katyusha said...

gazillion you donkey-dick, apparently you missed that part of Lebanese history 1) where the Christians didn't want to give up some power to the Muslims who had become the majority- which led to a thing called the civil war and 2) that thing called the ISRAELI INVASION AND OCCUPATION FROM 1978-2000. That could have something to do with the fact that Lebanon was destroyed. So this 'the Shia ruining it' thing is something that maybe exists in your head but has nothing to do with reality.
As far 'peace' and 'prosperity', this is a meaningless concept if there is no justice or honour. What's sociopathic is not me but the idea that Israel and the idiot moderate Arabs leaders think that any self-respecting human being would rather choose the Club Med, lame European 'peace' life after all the crimes and injustices committed in the name of 'peace' in the decades since the creation of Israel. Far from self-inflicted racism this is called self-respect. People who have maintained a little bit of their humanity (unlike animals in human form like you) actually fight injustices like a foreign occupation or corrupt, lying, stealing governments. That's the difference between a 'sociopath' like me and 'civilized' person like you.
The thing that really fucks with the Israelis, you and all the assorted pro-Western Lebanese is that the Shia and Hizbullah changed Lebanese identity after the civil war. It's about the definition of Lebanon, and the thing fucks with you is that you can no longer alone decide what Lebanon is. You still can't get over it that Lebanon is no longer that bullshit phantasy of pre-1975. That 'not bad place in the context of the Arab world' was a horrible place for the majority of Shia and thank God it's gone forever. Take your 'peace' and 'prosperity' and stick it where the sun don't shine.

20 July, 2006 14:54  
Anonymous Gazilion said...

I'll take the "donkey-dick" as a compliment...

About (1), OK, I'll admit the Shia and the Hezbollah were not the only responsible for all the destruction — there was a lot of sectarian violence. But about (2), I wonder what triggered the Israeli invasion...

You say, «As far 'peace' and 'prosperity', this is a meaningless concept if there is no justice or honour». And I say 'justice' and 'honour' mean nothing if they're not aimed at getting peace and prosperity for all. Fighting injustices is correct and honourable — if the goal is not replacing one injustice for another.

You say pre-1975 Lebanon was not so great for Shia. OK. Is it better now? Or are you satisfied simply because everybody else is in deep shit like you?
I think the objective should be that all communities are equally treated at a high standard — not achieving "equality" by bringing everybody to the lowest standard. "Equals in mirery" is not that great a moto.
Destroying is easy. The hard part is building a country back. What have you contributed to the latter?

20 July, 2006 15:40  
Anonymous Abe Bird said...

the reason for the extent of the bombings is because we are trying to fish out the Hezbulla people and their launchers and rockets. They hid there well, and where? right inside houses, in villages and towns.

The IDF has a long target list. It was built using extensive intelligence research over the past years. It's what the intelligence is in charge of. It's constructed based on thousands of little bits and pieces of information (not all of it accurate probably), gathered from many resources.

What the IDF is doing now, is going through that long checklist and blowing up the targets. As simple as that. That's why southern Lebanon, as well as the Shi'ite Dahiya neighborhoods are blown to bits. That's why the northern parts of Beirut and of the rest of the country are left relatively unharmed (from what I hear, from Lebanese people living here, they stil have electrictiy and water, and other than being swamped with refugees, they are doing relatively ok). I guess not letting the Hezbulla turn your home into an ammo depot pays off.

Keep safe. Hopefully, somehow, with or without support from Lebanese people, or the world in general, we will manage to bring Hezbulla to its knees and you can return and rebuild your country from the damage invoked by THEM.

20 July, 2006 18:06  
Blogger Jean said...

I invite all the israelis to write a few lines and describe how they feel in my blog:

http://jeansouc.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-lebanese-are-seen-by-israelis.html

For all the racists (of both sides) and the narrow minded people (which is actually a redondancy), please don't pollute this blog with your unwelcome remarks.

20 July, 2006 20:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi to all.

I would like to write a few words to relay my own thoughts about Lebanon, Israel and the war we are experiencing on both sides.
I saw the interview with hasan nasrala a few minutes ago and it pin pointed my thoughts about the reason for this war.
there is no reason - its simply a job search (both leaders are trying to sell an idea to there supporters so they can maintain there jobs - the payment is presented by the killing people), do you think that a one of them would continue if he knew that he would lose his position (nasrala and olmert).
the sad thing is that we buy these ideas as they are with out asking simple question like how does it effect me, am I gaining from what is going on.
people of Lebanon send me an E-mail with the text "no war" so your opinion would be heard.
my e-mail address is nick.berr@gmail.com

21 July, 2006 00:06  
Anonymous swissguy said...

Solomon2: read the text once again. A people does not need to be "in the hand" of another army for the convention to apply. The convention says, again, I am repeating what I had written, "Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals."

We see here that it is "in case of a conflict or occupation". It is not at all limited to an occupation only. Here we have a case of conflict, Israel is in war with Lebanon, even if this has not been acknowledged by the Lebanese governement. So this is a war situation and the 4th convention applies. Please read the text carefully before saying smth. Hence, the Lebanese civilians are seen as a protected population and is covered by all the mentioned articles from the 4th convention.

Today, our foreign minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, clearly stated that Israel was not respecting the human rights in this conflict. As the place of deposit of the Geneva convention, Switzerland has the obligation to recall the different parties involved in a conflict their duties. So watch out guys. This is not nice what's happening now with civilian bombing, destoying the infrastructure and collective punishement. Watch out, coz these are real crimes, guys. And as I said in my first post, this is independent of what is doing the opponent. If you do smth like that, it's bad and it's a crime.

Cheers,

21 July, 2006 01:55  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

swissguy: we are not reading this sentence the same way. I believe my interpretation is the correct one: the purpose of the sentence after the word "who" is to describe all the characteristics necessary for a person to be considered a protected party. They must be (1) in a conflict or occupation, and (2) in the hands of (a) a Party to the conflict or (b) Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.

Lebanese civilians are not in Israel's hands and Hizbollah is Lebanese. Condition (2) is not fulfilled.

In other words, just as bombing German cities in WWII was legal, so is bombing Lebanese cities today. If the victorious Allies ever thought that your interpretation was correct, they would never have signed the documents.

Even if you are correct in your interpretation, why would you apply this standard to Israel before applying it to other parties in the conflict? It would seem to be a severe flaw in international law, and thus something that shouldn't be enforced. Or do you think Israel, the United States, and other countries with air and missile forces should withdraw from the Geneva Conventions entirely because the Swiss can't be trusted to be honest brokers in international relations?

21 July, 2006 02:52  
Anonymous Sia'a said...

Solomon2, I am really wishing that I had the time/energy to write responses to you, because I am supprised that you comfortable in your American home feel that you have the moral certanty to pass judgment on so many others, and to speak so lightly of the lives of fellow humans.

I suppose that comfort and moral certanty go hand in hand. In any case, I think some of your logic is genuinly very interisting-- but I cannot muster the energy to be coherent back. (it's also very early in the morning here.)

All the best to you, and I hope truly that you never are in a situation to understand why your attitude is so disturbing to me.

21 July, 2006 06:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for the rant, but voltaire would have written more precise. comments as "the cowards in syria and iran", "human monsters", "crazy ideologies" does not help anyone in understanding the current situation. (e.g., i'm watching tv in germany) some reports about what you see, hear, talk would do.

21 July, 2006 06:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lebanon is responsible for this situation, they need to stop Hezbollah, which they don't, the country is called Lebanon not Lebanon of Hezbollah, right?

21 July, 2006 09:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the anonymous poster above:

Apparently Lebanon, much like the palestinians, has this very different concept of what responsibility means.

In their lexicon, it never applies to them. They see themselves as innocent bystanders, and the fact that their elected government is not bothering to keep itself the only sovereign in the land doesn't seem to bother them enough to actually do something about it.

Coming from this place, they lack the capability of saying "I am responsible for my elected government. My government is responsible for neglection of its policing duties which resulted in our neighbour being attacked with military-grade weapons (do you know any civilized government that allows non-government entities to keep SCUD-class missiles?!). And it is that negligence, that unwillingness to sic the Lebanonian army *against* the Hezballah even when it is clear they're not acting in Lebanon's interest, that makes the bombs falling on us our own responsibility."

That is what responsibility in the rest of the world means. It means "the POWER to determine the outcome". In their language, all it means is "BLAME" and they throw it around, on the Israelis this time, rather than take it on their shoulders, do their own dirty work and deprive their filth of weapons and throw whoever needs to be thrown into a jail, like every other country in the world does.

And as to the keeper of the blog:

I admire you for looking the problem - the people who are taking advantage of your country - in the face and standing up for what you believe in without fearing them.

My only disappointment is that you blame Israel. You should be thanking Israel, not blaming it. It wants and needs this war just as much as you do. Neither Israel as a country nor the Israeli people want this war. It does not wish to destroy you - on the contrary, there is nothing it would like more than to *STRENGTHEN* your own army, so you are better able to take care of your land. And yet it is doing YOUR (yes, YOUR) dirty laundry. It is doing the dirty work YOU should be doing and getting killed over. It is sending its children to die over cleaning your country, when you sit at home and write a blog.

Does Israel end up killing civillians? as in any war, yes. It is unavoidable, doubly so when Hezballah fighters hide behind your civilians in populated areas.

Does Israel intentionally target civillians? Never, and you'd be buying into Iranian propaganda to believe this shit. Even from a purely egoistic standpoint, civillian casaulties have no strategic value, and yet they set public opinion of every person in the world against whoever is inflicting them. Had Israel been after civillians and children, it would have been bombing populated areas indiscriminately. Instead, it throws around leaflets telling, in the simplest of terms, people to keep away from Hezballah people, to try and minimize unwarranted casaulties.

Israel is doing you a favor. It's not doing a clean job, because if you want a clean job, you have to do it yourself. It's doing a dirty job, but it's getting it done, which is more than you ever did.

Take Israel out of your list of enemies and start working towards getting your country back. You only deserve it if you'll stand for it.

21 July, 2006 10:31  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

I am supprised that you comfortable in your American home feel that you have the moral certanty to pass judgment on so many other

That is my core conceit. What did you think the sceptre is for?

21 July, 2006 14:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

American here...give my thoughts which pretty much are the same as everyones around me here. Most everyone I talk to is for both sides finding peace, and suprisingly, most anyone I talk to nowadays has a pretty good feeling for the non-militant people mof Lebanon.

I will say, almost every single person here is getting pretty sick of muslims in general. This battle was coming sooner or later, and yes, if bombs were hitting us, even crappy over-sized bottle rockets like Hezbollah has, from Mexico or Canada...if they did nothing, war would ensue for sure.

Most here are sick of the Iraq war because the feeling is that muslims are hopeless, and you can not help them at all...they can't beat us, so they start killing each other...it seriously seems like they are 800 years behind the rest of the world.

Sunnis? shiites? fuck em' both...put them on an island and let them kill each other while the rest of the world goes on with life.

Lebanon will be better off when Hezbollah are all dead, and the stupid border between Isreal and Lebanon can be removed...you can take you neighbor a home made pie or something across the border instead of shooting a rocket accurate within 50 miles, or shooting a gun accurate to 10 feet at a coutry with high tech weapons.

Hezbollah=retards

21 July, 2006 17:53  
Anonymous Alucinogenius said...

"Our enemy Israel is killing us but at least its civilians are dying and it is paying the price of its military adventure"

that is a poor observation... and makes you no better than the israelis.
Religion beliefs are the only true support of this wars. If there was no religion the leaders would find no support among it's peers to make this wars.

21 July, 2006 18:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it interesting at how low the Muslim world places human life. Hamas and Hezbollah shoot rockets into Israel trying to kill anyone unlucky enough to be in the wrong place/at the wrong time. Doesn't matter if they are civilians or military just as long as they are dead.

In their own Muslim communities they launch rockets and mortars directly from civilian areas. If the Israelis respond then there is the strong chance that their own Muslim civilians will be killed. Which seems to be the goal. They could launch from less populated areas but that kind of defeats the purpose of getting Muslims killed.

The same holds true for Irag. Muslims from one branch of Islam killing others from another branch of Islam. Notice how there never seems to be a stand up fight between one group of terrorists/militia and the opposing group of terrorists/militia. I guess it is safer and easier to kill women, children, elderly and the unarmed than it is to actually fight somebody who is also armed. Seems like straight out cowardice to me but then again I am not a Muslim.

The Lebanese and the Arab world are making alot about the death of innocent civilians. These deaths are just a byproduct of the war. If the Israelis were really targeting civilians to you really think that there would only be about 300 of them. If they want to kills civilians the number would already be in the 10's of thousands if not more.

The only people that benefit from the death of civilians are the terrorists. They get sympathy from stupid people around the world. The Europians seem to be suckers for this nonsense.

The Muslim world needs to ask itself what it considers the word honor to mean. I see no honor in what the terrorists are doing. Looks like cold blooded murder by worst monsters in the world. Why would anyone want this trash to be in their community.

Maybe the best thing the Israelis can do for the world is continue the fight until the terrorists are destroyed. No matter the damage done. Maybe when the war is over the Palestinians and the Lebanese will take a hard look around and decide that Hamas and Hebollah are not the people to bet you future on.

By the way. Arguing about treaties, the Geneva Convention and other such nonsense seems like a real waste of time. A war against terrorists is not a civilized war. It is a war against barbarians. Rules are irrelevant.

21 July, 2006 20:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor Lebanon...
Poorest Lebanese People that is once again paying a very high price for others war.
Shame on the world, on the Arab World (where are they, so called brothers)
If Syria and Iran are behind Hezbollah why not face them too? Why not attack them too?
Well, they have tanks, bombs and airplanes
Insane persons...
They make war and fanatics just for profit...
Bigger economical interests are always behind every war.
We, normal persons are dumbs on their hands.
They play games to make money with our lives.
God bless those that have the power to end this terrible and unhuman war, that even chemical weapons are being used.
God bless the Lebanese people, that in history cannot live a larger period of peace and growth.
Back ago, in Lebanon all kind of religion lived together and in peace. It would be a dream to have this back..but.. I am a dreamer...
END TO THIS WAR
END TO EVERY WAR!!!

21 July, 2006 23:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of you complain about Lebanon not getting rid of terrorists?
If this was so easy it would have been done long ago.
Only those that know Lebanon, with one word I can explain why terrorists could not be ended in Lebanon
SECTARISM, OTHER COUNTRIES PRESSURE AND FORCE
Well, pay the price again, the ordinary Lebanese people

21 July, 2006 23:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MR TONY BLAIR:
George Bush's poodle

ISRAEL
The Cleaner
The Exterminator

LEBANON
Victim of Syria and Iran

LEBANESE PEOPLE
Hostage and victim of others

21 July, 2006 23:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LEBANON
Victim of Syria and Iran
...
lets assume you are right on that, If Syria and Iran are behind Hezbollah why not face them? Whats stopping Israel to attack them rather killing poor lebanese? Israel has been planing such a attack for a long time and now found a good chance to do so!

21 July, 2006 23:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I welcome this space where people of every region can talk, so let's try and keep it more or less civil. I think we've run though the range of "you're to blame", "No, you're to blame". I am reassured to a degree by the Israeli contributions, explaining ordinary people's lack of animosity overall to Lebanese people.

But there is one major issue in how Israel is perceived internationally. We don't live in Israel. We don't know your neighbours, your sports clubs. We haven't seen your kids play football or whatever. We don't have barbecues together on summer evenings. So for the rest of the world (and I'll make a headline out of this):

ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.

I have no emotional connection with the Israelis, apart from a vague notion of them being plucky, resourceful people. But when it comes to Israel as a state, I can only judge you by your collective actions.

ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.

When you withdraw from occupied Gaza and created the world's largest open-plan prison while at the same time continuing to create colonies in other ethnically-cleansed areas, what am I supposed to think? When you withdrew from the Lebanon and blocked the wells on the way out, what am I supposed to think? When you raided the Palestine prison to kidnap (that word familiar?) political prisoners, what am I supposed to think? When you ignore 27 UN resolutions (correct me if I'm wrong someone), what am I supposed to think?

ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.

So when you (collectively) escalate a border confrontation and consequently invade Lebanon, what am I supposed to think? When the first targets are civilian infrastructure (Beirut airport, new bridges) even before targetting the Hezbollah HQ, what am I supposed to think? This has been followed by the destruction of factories, the country's largest dairy plant, ambulances, etc. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Someone once told, "The Israelis and like the Americans, they're very bad losers. When they feel they have lost something, they will kick and scream and punch until they get what they want". The same person also maintains that Israel is not interested in peace, per se. They are interested in maintaining military and economic superiority. Given the past week, what am I supposed to think?

The current agression is completely unacceptable, delporable and sickening. But:

ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.

21 July, 2006 23:45  
Anonymous BrunoZdM said...

From an atheist Lebanese-descendant Brazilian guy to myself007 and his ISRAEL: THE DOOMED ZIONIST PROJECT:

1) Why does the reference to Palestinians apply only to Muslims in your essay, even when depiction is made in clearly historical contexts? Palestine had been the name of the land for many centuries before Islam appeared. Hebrews were among the people who lived there. And they managed to survive to Babylonian, Egyptian, Persian, Greek, Roman and many other empires' domination over Palestine throughout. And that includes Ottoman Empire as well. It is a flawed theory to grant Palestinian-Arabs exclusive rights to that land, and denying the Jews their part, based on a myopathic historical analysis. If one goes into that line of argument, one must trace back a long, long path to come to a conclusion -- if that is possible, relying solely on that perspective.

2) You say that Palestinian-Arabs made concessions and agreed to divide Palestine with the Jews. You must not forget the outcome of Oslo and what Muslims extremists did and have been doing ever since. While I cannot argue against your blamings on Ariel Sharon, you shall not forget of Yasser Arafat before his years ahead PLO.

3) When you talk about the First Intifadah, you mention the dead Palestinian-Arab civilians. What would you expect from a war that civilians are demanded to fight in? What would you expect of guerillas tactics in urban areas? What would you expect from terrorists using civilians as "shelters"?

4) I do not endorse Israel strategy on this matter. I think this whole thing in Lebanon will actually get things worse. But I do understand that fighting a hidden enemy, which fakes to be your neighbor just to plant a bomb near you, is neither a conventional, nor an easy war. It is very debatable indeed if it can be won at all, after all those years of violence escalation.

5) Last but not least, your text is full of the same racism and hatred you seem willing to condemn so much. Again, an opportunity of a progressive and benefitial debate is lost. And it is even worse noticing that coming from, my guess, an educated man.

Best luck to us all.

22 July, 2006 07:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also from the US says:

The truly sad thing about this exchange is so many people not addressing the situation. Mindsets that focus on "the enemy Israel," "the Arab conspiricy," "the Republican agenda," miss the point and weaken focus on the truth that peace has to be a joint effort of all sides with a just acknowledgement that every human being killed is a loss for all humanity. I see no saints and many sinners in this conflict; and too many people too busy casting aspersions instead of dealing with the issues of justice, equity, and peace.

22 July, 2006 14:52  
Blogger Jonjo said...

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23 July, 2006 03:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lebanese people!
We also, like You, hate the war and don’t want it. We also, like You, want to live in peace, we are tired of the perpetual threat. But when our homeland is attacked, we have to respond.
The disaster came to us not from You, but from Your land, and this is sad and painful. And we are responding to those who have come from Your land.
Your faces command respect. Those are bright, peace loving faces. Let us together chase away the Hezbollah from Your land. Let us unite together against the common aggressor – Hezbollah. We don’t need Your land. We are given what we are given. And we’ll struggle for peace on it. Let us together drive out the occupant – Hezbollah from Your land.

23 July, 2006 07:35  
Anonymous M. Bahash said...

Zadig says:
Our enemy Israel is killing us but at least its civilians are dying and it is paying the price of its military adventure.

Well, I am very sorry you are happy about Israeli civilians being killed.

Here in Israel, on the contrary, while everyone realizes we must have security, no one enjoys or hopes that Lebanese civilians get killed or injured.

Quite the opposite - we get as frustrated and horrified by the Lebanese casualties as you.

Perhaps this sums up the difference in mentality between Israelis and our Arab neighbors. While most Israelis do not have an intrinsic hate for muslims or Arabs, the other way around is not true.

While we praise life, and do not enjoy hearing of people being killed, apparently most Arabs would like nothing more than hearing of a bloodbath on Israeli soil... oh swell!

Please understand -- this is not a war against Lebanon or the Lebanese. I know, understand, sympathize, and am sorry for the fact that the ordinary Lebanese is suffering unimaginably with the Israeli bombardments.

However, this is the price Lebanon is paying for having an uncontrollable militia doing the bid of Iran and Syria in its territory. This is a militia that cowardly hides and stores in civilian areas -- a group of fanatics that continually poses a threat to northern Israel and who unilaterally (?) decided to invade and attack Israel, and kidnap to soldiers.

What did you expect as a reaction? The attacks are not aimed at the Lebanese, but rather at places marked as being connected to Hizballah.

There is an old joke that there is no intelligence in the military. Perhaps, there are attacks based on bogus intelligence, but still, the aim is to prevent further attacks from Hizballah, stop Syria and Iran from supplying it with more weapons, and hopefully do the job that should have been done by you years ago: to take Hizballah out of the southern border, and allow the Lebanese government to restore sovereignty over all of its territory.

My country cannot tolerate a continuous threat of Katyushas in the north, the invasion of our territory, and the killing and kidnapping of our soldiers.

I do truly feel for your country's losses, and hope in the future you will not rejoice with Israeli deaths.

Here's hoping this will end soon and as well as possible.

Salam and Shalom
From Tel Aviv

23 July, 2006 07:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEATH FOR ISRAEL
DEATH FOR USA
الا ان حزب الله هم الغالبون

23 July, 2006 13:08  
Blogger Lebanese said...

الارض لنا
القدس لنا
بيت لحم لنا
كنيسة المقدس لنا
وانتم الغاصبون
النصر آت آت آت
والهزيمة النكراء جزاء المحتلين

23 July, 2006 13:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

M. Bahash said...
There is an old joke that there is no intelligence in the military.

---

our lives is jock to you, thats why you kill civilians.
There was no rocket attack on northen Israel before this confilict. Why do you lie? You are the true terror. The rockets started reaching norht Israel after barbarian attack by Israel to Lebanon. Shame on you.

23 July, 2006 14:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If war is the answer, the question must be fucking stupid, never heard about this?
Democracy is not something you get from outside as a present, one needs to fight for it and defend it with his own blood, as Israel did at the time zionist emigrants bought the land from poor arabs which didn't know what to do with it, at the time they founded a state and were attacked swiftly by some ruling dictators which had nothing better to do. A palestinian dream was set up, neighbors closed their doors and sent them back, they became what they are today, victims who were promised a land by the ones who didn't own it, fooled by a flase brotherhood who betryed them for their own interests, and the war begun. Israel fought and became strong, Libanese didn't and were kept slaves of a rotten , antisocial and dangerous ideology. Now it's the time to stand up and raise your fists to liberate yourself from slavery and win the right to speak freely, against the rulers, against the world, but stand up, act and stop to shout words of hatery. The world loves Lebanon as it loves Israel, you are welcome to join the free world, please do so and we will become brothers. Stay sheltered and hide and we will not know you, you will stay a strangers and live a life who others decide for you. You finally kicked out the Syrians, well done! But why tolerate a fanatic militia which openly wants to erase 6 million people from the world map. Why not kick them too. why not stop them, why tolerate them, why blame others for the wrong you have accepted in your courtyard?
We always need an enemy to justify the fact that we can hate, but you miss the target, you shouldn't hate Israel, you should hate Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah who in the name of a god of peace do war, in the name of a tolerant religion speak hate and destruction, who corrupted what originally was joy and love and made it suffering and hatery.
Get back to your roots, look what the Coran tells you and you will find that no one speaks of destruction, hatery, female being unworthy and it's just the start!
This was for the libanese muslims, but what about the libanese jews, christians and druses? What about you who were killed in the civil war, who were betrayed by your own people, who were put into a sufferng minority when you where ruling the country 50 years before and the country was bold, warm, beautiful, tolerand and part of the free world? Where are your fists, when did you stop figthing, why did you? How terrilble must it be to bring you to shut up, are you really willing to point the fingers against Israel and work with the same ones who destroyed your dreams of free human beings?
As said before, if the answer is war, the question must be fucking stupid. So what is the question? At the end my libanese friends, you are wise, you must find the right answer.
Libanon is not an arab country, it is a multicultural, multireligious country, never forget this!

23 July, 2006 18:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

War is the answer. Libanon is not a arab country and you should be thankful to us. We will get rid of them and give your country back to you.

23 July, 2006 19:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello. I am a Jewish American and I am saddened by the magnitude of mistrust and hatred that exists everywhere, particularly the Middle East. Did we learn anything from the Holocaust? Will any of you deny that millions of INNOCENT people have died at the hands of "terrorists." I am a family man with four children and I have never cheated anyone or broken a law (driving too fast excluded). And yet, I am hated around the world either because I'm a Jew, an American, or even worse, both. There are millions of people just like me who are also hated. Some of you say, you don't hate "Jews" or you don't hate "Arabs" - you just hate our countries. If you hate our countries, you hate us because we ARE our countries. Your feelings are so terribly misguided and it's a shame that none of us will see genuine peace and tolerance in our lifetimes. Is there any way to reason with ANY of you?

24 July, 2006 00:52  
Anonymous M. Bahash said...

TO ANONYMOUS:

On the contrary - no life lost is a joke, and that's exactly what I say in my post. Apparently you do not understand irony.

I suggest you re-read my post.

As for no rockets falling on northern Israel before this started, I suggest you do a simple news archive searching on the internet, and you will find out the truth for yourself.

Salam

24 July, 2006 03:29  
Blogger holly said...

It's crazy to see so many people so proud of there countries, I can not say the same. I am an american and always have been, I'm probably one of the whitest none ethnic diverse american, according to my history it was americans doing a long, long time ago sticking there nose in business, making allainces that benefitted us most.Just like our past we today do the same. I disgusts me that we sit by waiting and watching lebanon die,Why? because we have allainces and our pesident can not risk the jewish vote leaving the house to democrats. honestly have to wonder if israel is doing a little ethnic clensing, considering they have to see where the bombs are launched from, and it's not southern lebanon, but hezbollah followers are there.I have to wonder. I am truely greatful to have grown up here and not had to deal with such issues, but when I turn on the news and see christians waving israeli flags in support of this slaughter I want to burn my burn my american flag. I'm truley embarrised. Although I can not change my country and it's ignorance I can help. I will be leaving for lebanon ina day or so to help with the people of lebanon, I am a nurse and without help from my government, I will take time off and meet up with the arabian red cross. I wish all well and this all ends soon I will miss my husband and my children.

24 July, 2006 05:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOLLY:

Congratulations for your character...
This makes me happy, to know that still exists people that care...
This is the real richness in life.
Happy of those that can have you as a friend or part of the family.
God bless you!

24 July, 2006 14:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Myself007

You are really quite insane.

24 July, 2006 19:41  
Anonymous Patricia said...

I am afraid to say but this is utterly bushtit. This crisis has got nothing to do with Iran backing Hezbollah. Let’s go couple of years “Back in 2004, Hezbollah took in Prisoners of War and exchanged them for captives inside the Israeli jails. You didn't see a war happen then did you? They exchanged people and everyone was able to sit back, play cards, and watch Drew Carey at night.

So what is so different now?


What is different is that we were blackmailed once, and we don't want to be blackmailed forever... Excetly like the Americans: the Tripoli pirates signed a loot of false treaties and kept on taking hostages... At one point the Americans said enough and sent in the marines...

You see this was an act of war in 2004, but then Israel took the soft approach... You kept on? Now they took the not so soft approach...

Maybe you'll learn that you can push Israel only so far... But you didn't understand...

24 July, 2006 22:03  
Anonymous Patricia said...

The hard fact is that in 60 years, Israel has been unable to establish normal relations with any of its neighbours. Not one.

As usual, a lie...

We have peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt...

24 July, 2006 22:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to all you ignorant americans who think you can pontificate as to how this is all lebanon's fault and as to how nobody in the arab world has made a serious effort at creating a free and democratic society, PLEASE SHUT UP AND LEARN SOMETHING before demonstrating how f'ing IGNORANT you really are.

signed, a non-ignorant american.

25 July, 2006 05:45  
Anonymous BA said...

The sad truth is that the US is instigating this war, using Israel to achieve it's American interests. American interests is in maintaining the value of their US dollar. Their US dollar is valued based on oil. If the world changes to purchase oil using Euros or any other currency, the Euro being the likely option, as Iraq attempted before their destruction by the US, the value of the US dollar would sink to almost nothing. Why nothing? The US has little to no natural resources to sell to international markets or to use for trade. That's why they are the largest consumer in the world. Without a high value or oil to maintain this value, the US would not be able to purchase goods and services on the international market.

So, what does the war in Lebanon have to do with the American interests? Syria and Iran need more supporters to be able to sell oil using another currency. With Hezballah's political growth and influence in Lebanon grows, so does their potential to rule in Lebanon. At that point, what excuse would the US have to bomb Lebanon, as they did in Iraq? Weapons of mass destruction was already used to destroy Iraq. Quite a challenge to for the US to regain its "interests" in the Middle East. So, using the excuse of the military kidnapping was a perfect opportunity to revive the "terrorist" claim. Works nicely into their global war on terror. Only this time, the US wouldn't have to commit their own people to maintain their US interests in the region.

Now, this may sound off-the-wall if it wasn't for the brazen facts that the Israeli army admitted to monitoring the Hezballah kidnapping from, in what the IDF is proud to claim, a high security zone in north Israel. Anyone else smell the bait-and-hook plan?

This war and all other wars, Afghanistan (Taliban ruled that they would sell oil in Euros), Iraq (Saddam planned to sell oil in Euros), and now Lebanon (if Hezballah won ruling power in the parliament would provide additional support for Syria and Iran to sell their oil in Euros) are all about US interests in maintain the US dollar as the international currency for purchasing/selling oil.

25 July, 2006 08:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the US dollar is devalued, inflation would hit the roof, causing a recurrence of the great depression. Recall from your economics and history classes that even the rich being poor. Needless to say that if the US dollar sinks, the rich in the US and around the world, whom, I'm sure maintain US dollars to maintain their "richness" would not be happy. Who are G.Bush's supporters, contributors, and policy influencers? How about the rich?

25 July, 2006 08:30  
Anonymous RM said...

BA, this does make some sense. I recall that the US dollar was valued based on the price of gold and how much gold the US federal reserve maintained. This was changed in the last 2 to 3 decades to have the US dollar valued based on the price of oil, the oil reserves that the US maintains to balance its dollar against potential world oil shortages, and the international market to use US dollars to purchase oil on the market. This now makes sense when we here the Americans talking about their "interests". It's sick that the world is being ruled by the elite and rich because of their "interest" in maintaining the value of the US dollar.

25 July, 2006 08:35  
Anonymous NNT said...

The key events in this war:

1. Hezballah kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, killing 3 in north Israel, requesting prisoner swap with Lebanese that have been held in Israeli prisons.

2. Israel rejected the prisoner swap, eventhough it had done so 3 times prior in the last 6 years, and started bombing transportation infrastructure in Lebanon (i.e., airport, bridges, highways linking major cities, ...)

3. Hezballah began rocket launches into north Israel, 2 days after Israel began bombing Lebanon.

4. Israel began a limited ground assault to hit strategic positions in south Lebanon, meanwhile continuing to bomb Lebanese infrastructure (i.e., electrical plants, water sources, communications facilities - TV, cell phone, etc.).

I thought Hezballah was interested in forcing Israel to withdraw from Lebanese lands it occupied after the previous war it waged in Lebanon against the Palestinians and "select" Lebanese groups (i.e., Chebaa farms), and to force Israel to free Lebanese people it continues to imprison without trial in Israeli jails?

Why is Israel still occupying Lebanese land and holding Lebanese prisoners? Why does it still hold Palestinians without trial or charges of any kind? Isn't this provocation for retaliation by the Israeli's against Israel? It seems that Israel wants to perpetuate the war against the Lebanese and Palestinians to maintain the US interests in the Middle East. And of course the US is more than happy to indulge and support the conditions for war. Keep the arabs fighting so they cannot become strong enough to stand together against US interests in the Middle East. These wars have nothing to do with religion, as much as it has to do with American interest in maintaining instability in the Middle East.

25 July, 2006 08:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding prisoner exchange... Israel should not be expected to consider it. Not only does giving into blackmail only encourage more blackmail, but more importantly many of these prisoners are hezbolla agents who were caught doing terrorist acts. This is not like exchanging prisoners in a conventional war. If you release terrorists back into the field they will plan and execute more murderous suicide bombings etc.

The situation is very sad. Every innocent person who dies is a tragedy. But Israel has to defend itself.

26 July, 2006 02:27  
Anonymous nnt said...

How hypocritical of Israel that it all of a sudden decides that this time it is going to bomb the hell out of Lebanon (from South to North, East to West) for 2 captured soldiers. Get real, Israel exchanged prisoners in the past on 3 occasions, in this decade. What the hell are you talking about?

Furthermore, defend itself for what? Israel started bombing Lebanon two days before Hezballah starting retaliating. Again, what hole in the ground have you been hiding in, since this war was started by Israel. Yes, Hezballah did a wrong by killing 3 Israeli soldiers and taking 2 hostage, but Israel should be strongly condemned for its inhumanity and aggregious bombing and total destruction of a sovereign country.

26 July, 2006 08:43  
Anonymous nnt said...

One more response to the last Anonymous....
You claim that Israel is imprisoning Hezballah terrorists. What did they do to label them a terrorist. I'm not asking for a blanket, easy statement. I'm asking for evidence and a real trial to prove their guilt as a terrorist.

I'm not planning to hold my breath waiting for a response, because Israel continues to hold Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners without trial even after international condemnation and diplomatic requests to release them, if they are not given due legal process. Israel is so arrogant that it acts as it sees fit, irrespective of international laws, conventions, and human rights that are violated.

God is our judge, and those that violate humanity and God's creation will be judged appropriately.

26 July, 2006 08:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Radical Islam says "KILL EVERYONE WHO IS NOT LIKE US!"

The rest of the world is saying today what we said to NAZI GERMANY during WWII:

"F--- YOU! WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

27 July, 2006 04:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You see, Islam cannot blissfully thrive without red hot blood—the human blood. As a car cannot run without petrol, so is Islam. The fuel that propels Islam is blood. When infidels’ blood is difficult to shed, Islam spills its own blood. Blood is the life-line of Islam, violence its hallmark, hate its foundation. Therefore, when needed, Islam must cannibalize itself, just to run its own course, set by Muhammad, the last Prophet.

This cannibalism is nothing new in Islam. Islamic history is profusely replete with many such savage anecdotes of cannibalization.

During the last few decades we have witnessed much such Islamic cannibalism. The most recent event was the Iran-Iraq war, in which millions of Muslims were killed, not by the infidels (kafirs) but by Muslims. Undoubtedly, in not-too-distant a future, we are bound to witness many such events of Islamic cannibalism.

Here, I shall illustrate a few such cases of Islamic cannibalism as was perpetrated during the nascent stages of Islam, and ponder if we could learn few a few lessons from those gruesome episodes.

The earliest example of Islamic cannibalism, strangely, is found in the Holy Qur’an, in verses 9:108-110! These verses refer to the gutting of a rival mosque on the instruction of none but Muhammad (pbuh) when he was returning after his expedition to Tabuk, a resorceful town in the Syrian-Byzantine territory.

27 July, 2006 13:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I AM VERY SAD WITH THE DESTRUCTION THAT IS BEING MADE BY ISRAEL IN LEBANON..

They say "surgical attacks", but it could not avoid

* Death of UN Observers
* Burn of innocent children by the use of chemical and fragmentary weapons
* Destruction of a whole country, a whole people.

It is like putting a whole building down to kill some cokroaches, just because the truly Lebanese could not get rid of them...

Why not face the mothers of the cokroaches, Syria and Iran.. Well, maybe because they have strong military power...

Shame on Israel government, not the people, that is also a victim of their claimed security efforts...

Hope the future tells another story but the creation of a new generation of fanatics..


THIS REALLY WASN'T NECESSARY TO DISMANTEL HIZBOLLAH...

POLITICS AND DIPLOMACY, BACKING A TRUE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT THAT COULD DISARM THE SOUTH OF LEBANON..

NO.. YOU CHOSE FORCE...

OK, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT YOUR (AND THE USA) MILITARY CAPABILITY..

WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, IS THAT YOU ARE CREATING MORE AND MORE FANATICS...

YOUR GOVERNMENT KNOWS.. BUT THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE ALWAYS SAFE..


POOR OF US, NORMAL PEOPLE, THAT ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR ECONOMIC THIRST...

GOD BLESS US ALL...

"WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER"

28 July, 2006 07:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Lebanon is already broke..

Just hope the Israeli do a complete job...

End this Hizbollah shit...

Go back to Iran...


Real Lebanese people want a prosperous country, a friendly country to its neighbours as it was before the Civil War, when all religions could live together.

ENOUGH OF SYRIA IN LEBANON

ENOUGH OF HIZBOLLAH AND OTHER CRAPS IN LEBANON

LEBANON FOR TRUE LEBANESE

LEBANON FRIEND OF ALL COUNTRIES...

ENOUGH OF RELIGIOUS FANATISM..

28 July, 2006 07:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ISRAEL

WAR CRIMINALS

31 July, 2006 02:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't blame Iran for this. You're making it seem as if Iranians have never suffered. For 8 years we had a war with Iraq in which Lebanon and most Arab countries had no trouble with seeing Iranian towns and cities being bombed and gassed.

02 August, 2006 08:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ISRAELI GOVERNMENT

THE REAL TERRORISTS

03 August, 2006 16:47  
Anonymous Proud Israeli said...

Yes! Israel is trigger happy ! don't fucking mess with it.

Don't you fucking Arabs ever lern ?

03 August, 2006 17:24  
Anonymous Hate Arabs said...

Arab cowards....alwayes hiding behind women and childrens.

Question:
Why Arab terorists alwayes hide beyound women and chidlren. Why don't they ever fight like man the cowards ?

Answare:
Becouse they are fucking cowrads. They talk like cowrds and fight like cowrds.

Arab constantly tragetting mainly women and choildrens all around the world yet they cry foul when some arb civilians die as a resualt of some Arab cowrds shoothing and hiding between the woman and children.

03 August, 2006 17:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I HATE HITLER

HE DIDN'T FUCK ALL THE JEWS

04 August, 2006 04:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JEWS

- THE REAL NAZIS

- WORLD'S PLAGUE

04 August, 2006 04:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ISRAEL:

WHY NO ATTACK IRAN?
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
YOU KILL ONLY INNOCENT PEOPLE
- CHILDREN
- OLD
- HANDICAP

SHAME ON ISRAEL

THANKS I HAVE A LOT OF JEWISH FRIENDS THAT ARE CONSCIOUS AND KNOW THE BARBARIES THAT ARE BEING MADE...

YOU KILLED JESUS CHRIST.. AT A FAKE COURT...

WHAT ELSE CAN THE WORLD SAY?

CONGRATULATIONS...YOU ARE "THE" ONES...

04 August, 2006 04:55  

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