I Am Out!
I will start this note by thanking the British government and the British military for their help in getting us to London. Not only was the organization and logistics great, but the kindness, humanity and understanding shown by the British military was outstanding.
Indeed, Last night I got on the HMS Gloucester from the Beirut port, a few minutes later the Israelis started bombing again. 24 hours later, I was in London.(More on that journey tomorrow when I get over it).
And as soon as I got to my relative's house in London, I switched on the Arabiya news channel where a wounded Lebanese girl, no more than 12 years old, was being interviewed and on the bottom of the screen a news alert said that Hezbollah fighters destroyed two Israeli tanks and all I could manage was a curse.
I want to end this note by thanking Hassan Nasrallah, Iran, Syria and Israel for killing 300 Lebanese and making more than 500,000 of them refugees in their own country.
Indeed, Last night I got on the HMS Gloucester from the Beirut port, a few minutes later the Israelis started bombing again. 24 hours later, I was in London.(More on that journey tomorrow when I get over it).
And as soon as I got to my relative's house in London, I switched on the Arabiya news channel where a wounded Lebanese girl, no more than 12 years old, was being interviewed and on the bottom of the screen a news alert said that Hezbollah fighters destroyed two Israeli tanks and all I could manage was a curse.
I want to end this note by thanking Hassan Nasrallah, Iran, Syria and Israel for killing 300 Lebanese and making more than 500,000 of them refugees in their own country.
posted by zadigvoltaire at 8:32 AM
49 Comments:
When this is all done, promise that you will be back to promote your ideas and try to rebuild no matter how long it takes, and no matter if we come destroying again.
See, one day, we WILL ride the train from Haifa to Beirut to visit with you, and you can come down to witness our true nature and existence of Arabs and jews together.
You will witness that the city being shot at from your country - Haifa, my city - is a good example that harmony can exist, and co-living is possible and works perfectly.
You must rebuild even if we destroy, you must go back and never give up on your Lebanon ... but yours only not Iran's or Syria's :)
zadigvoltaire, you have just demonstrated Lebanon's problem.
Are the Lebanese voting with their feet on a motion questioning Lebanon's right to exist?
Anat, Sumud at Haifa.
My hart goes out for people like you.
Please never forget, that the future of YOUR country is in YOUR hands! no one will care about Lebanon, beside Lebanese people.
It is time you stand up, and fight for your country. That means fight first internal. Make sure you have a real country that stands for itself - not for Syria.
Because if Syria decides what happens in Lebanon - why is there a Lebanese country? Why not connect it to Syria and finish the whole thing.
As an Israeli, with grand fathers that came from Europe, that fought the Turkish, the British and who ever was against Jews having a country - I tell you today: fight! Show that you are worth having a country! Without hezbolla or any other that thinks he can do with your country what ever he wants, and totally ignore the locals.
If you do not do that - why do you expect the world to care?
...the future of YOUR country is in YOUR hands!
I seriously doubt this. Haven't you noticed it is being invaded and bombed to pieces from the outside? Or doesn't that count, as it is peace-loving hobbits doing the bombing? Lebanon's fate was decided by Israel and the US: set them an impossible task and grab the country when they fail. Nobody is going to let them decide what they want, as the first that I would want if I was running the country would be a bigger army than Israel. Are you ready for that?
I just want to invite the israelis on this blog to go and give their opinion in
http://jeansouc.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-lebanese-are-seen-by-israelis.html
I would apreciate it.
Lebanese are welcome too.
Thanks for the author for not removing this post :)
Jean
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i was evacuated with the first french
was having my niece and nephew with me + 2 others kids travelling without their parents.
i was also volunteer to help the french ambassy for the evacuation
our ship was threatened to be bombed and intercepted @ 2 am by 4 israeliens ship. our laggage were checked
i ll go back asap i hope. it s possible for the french to come back aboard their evacuation ships
How patriotic! supporting your own people, caring for Lebanon and stuff.
NOT
About Anat's post:
I think that no body has to vote with his feet or with his life. The problem is that civilians are staying in places that were asked to evacuate and because of that civilians are being killed for no reason at all!
You can't inflate things from the grave. The only way to actually change something is to stay alive!!!
I wish I could stop it.. I feel it's going much too far already!
Please - first take good care of yourself and than you will be able to make a difference. Stop 'voting with your feet' - it's nothing but a fanatic slogan. Don't die for a slogan!
I'm happy to see you are getting out of there for the time being. If only everybody could do the same.
In our news broadcast they are interviewing from time to time a young girl from Lebanon that is telling us what is going on in the humanitarian situation and it sounds really really bad. I hope she'll get out of there and so everybody else until it's done. So that no other civilians, not even one, will get harmed any more.
I agree with Persian - to continue means that the day after all of this - it will be easier for the terrorist and the government will not be able to pick her up.
I'm not underestimating the Israelis suffering in the north - on the contrary - it's more of a reason.
But I have to say something else on my mind just to be honest with you all: I also feel that I don't know everything, the whole picture. Or what is the meaning of stopping this war now for the future to come. I don't have the experience of our commanders in the army or politicians. We can't know everything obviously And so, I only know and hear of the suffering of people, so I want it to stop, and it making me frustrated that the fighting is going on and on with each day passing by. But I feel that I can't really criticize full heartily about things I only know half the story of. As we all do.
So I can only wish that all of us will get through it the best way we all can. Lebanons and Israelis.
Take care,
Keren
Zadigvoltaire, I am glad to hear you are out. i do not think you are "voting with your feet". like you have fled so have some northeners in the north of israel.
I wont repeat what I wrote here last night. but i know that lebanon is divided between the pro and anti hezbollah. i do not want to rule your country. i do no want the lebanese people to think that we are dictating your government. i just want them to understand that if there was a chance that if we stopped attacking the hezbollah right now, that they would cease firing katiushas on us, we would stop this instant, and delve into massive negotiations fopeace and quiet. Please know that i am as fed up as you, of us bombarding your beautiful country, of the hezbollah bobmarding us, of waking up to this news every morning, of the bloodshed and wasted time.
Take care of yourself, may we both live to see our countries prospering in peace together.
mike
How old are you?
you're speking like a little boy that have seen to much TV.(I'm not talking about your english, god knows mine isn't pefect, it's the content).
well, everyone is entitle to their opinion.. I guess. Weird and fanatic as they may be..
I'm just curious how old are you?
to michel,
If lebanon has a strong army, that will protect lebanon - it would be OK with me.
The problem:
1. lebanon does NOT have a strong army - or a goverment.
2. Syria is the strong army in lebanon
3. Israel in 1948, was also a country without a strong army, and still one day after the country was born - we had to fight all arab countries around us. did anyone beside Israelies and Jews, cared about it? NO. we fight for our country, for the last 60 years!
what are you doing?
Good ridance you piece of shit
Do you really think that Israel is going after Hezbollah? Well, I don’t think so. They are just bombarding southern Lebanon. It is not that different to the way that Hezbollah is firing those rockets. Both sides are just firing whatever they have randomly and civilians are paying the consequences.
Look at this vide from CNN, it might help you to understand the situation a bit more in Lebanon. The reason that the number of people who got killed has not reached thousands is not due to the big effort by IDF in being precise in targeting Hezbollah, but it is only because people have evacuated from the southern areas. Watch the video, remember, please try to not pick on words, this time try to understand the scale of bombardons and it is only one of the areas which has been hit.
Bless you all
In 1948 Israel Prime Minister Ben gurion, ordered to bomb a ship that had wepons that were for the Israeli resistance: the lehi.
You can look up for the ships name: "altalena"
Since there was an Israeli army, the lehi was expected to give the weapons to the official army.
When they refused to give it to the official army in Israel - the government had to make a decision: allow a resistance in Israel, or not.
Israel made sure, that we are one country, with one army, fighting for our future.
The beginning was dealing with our internal problems - even if it means by force.
I think Israelis are expecting Lebanon to do the same.
But maybe it is too late: what you don't kill at the beginning, there is no stopping
.
go check it out:
http://www.tapuz.co.il/North/Game.asp
jonjo, the reason for the extent of the bombings is because we are trying to fish out the Hezbulla people and their launchers and rockets. They hid there well, and where? right inside houses, in villages and towns.
The IDF has a long target list. It was built using extensive intelligence research over the past years. It's what the intelligence is in charge of. It's constructed based on thousands of little bits and pieces of information (not all of it accurate probably), gathered from many resources.
What the IDF is doing now, is going through that long checklist and blowing up the targets. As simple as that. That's why southern Lebanon, as well as the Shi'ite Dahiya neighborhoods are blown to bits. That's why the northern parts of Beirut and of the rest of the country are left relatively unharmed (from what I hear, from Lebanese people living here, they stil have electrictiy and water, and other than being swamped with refugees, they are doing relatively ok). I guess not letting the Hezbulla turn your home into an ammo depot pays off.
To zadigvoltaire, keep safe. Hopefully, somehow, with or without support from Lebanese people, or the world in general, we will manage to bring Hezbulla to its knees and you can return and rebuild your country from the damage invoked by THEM.
When extreme religious movements who promote violence with bombs and rockets choose to live within the regular population they have made the choice to put that population at risk. They have chosen to use the innocent population as human shields. Such people now cry fowl and blame the other side. Hezbullah is also a part of the Government, thus the actions of their leaders affect the health and safety of the population. For Hezbullah leaders to cry fowl and blame the other side, when they are intertwined into the governing leadership is misleading.
While war is tragic, while war is a horror, so too is suicide bombing, and random missile firing. It is all war. It is not a cause when one resorts to bombs and rockets, it is war. War always harms the population. Hezbullah is now reaping what they have sown, and the price is being paid by the population they have used as a human shields. Hezbullah could have chosen to disarm - then they and the population would have been innocent, but Hezbullah chose to obtain more arms, longer range rockets, so they are not innocent, and the blood of the population they hide behind like cowards is on their hands.
Humanity,
Look I think everyone should stop finger pointing blame and justifying what is happening. To the Israeli's who left comments; Lebanon has been conquered time and time again from assyrians to greeks to romans..it is 10, 452 km2 that everyone seems to want...or screw up, whichever comes first. Israel is a relatively new country and im not going to go into details about how it came to be, simply because i cant be bothered arguing. It is a recognised state now so we have to co-exist.
The point is, you all want to sit and give your political opinions, you all say that you are living in fear...go and take a look at the comparison of death tolls in both countries. Lebanon has had enough. Lebanon has struggled and bled enough. We want to be left alone. Israel wont be able to get rid of hizbulla by slaughtering children and destroying infrastructure and displacing over 500,000 citizens.
An immediate ceasefire should occur and a trip to a negotiation table be made asap.
Check this out:
www.fromisraeltolebanon.info.
No matter how much you think you have suffered, it is nothing compared to the Lebanese over the years...all decent human beings are sorry for pain, all decent human beings condemn the death of small children.
Go and protest for human lives in Israel, put and end to this barbaric onslaught. I am not saying that the abduction of soldiers was the correct way to go about prisoner exchange, but the israeli response is truly the work of the devil to say the least.
Shame on all people who believe any military action is acceptable and shame on all people who don't want a ceasefire. FORGET ABOUT THE POLITICS BEHIND ALL OF THIS - THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Lebanon is being reduced to rubble...is this fair?? the children that have had their lives spared now, will now spend the rest of their lives rebuilding their country.
One of u wrote...'hopefully we can travel from haifa to beirut by train' let's hope so, i also hope israel will pick up the bill of their destruction because the lebanese government, a diplomatic one for that matter, who has nothing to do with this whole ordeal is in debt. So we can't afford to rebuild what we have been rebuilding since the 90's, which is what put us in debt...and that israel has completely destroyed.
A small prayer: Dear god, bless the souls of the poor children, bless lebanon, open up the eyes of humanity and give lebanon peace, the peace it deserves. God, you know that the lebanese and their government have nothing to do with this whole disaster- they are victims. God, give israeli's a the ability to not turn their back on their conscience which that have done so far...
I think that in theory, the sovereign government of Lebanon has the duty to disarm Hezbollah and take conrtol of the security in the south. Israel is correct in theory. But the fact remains the fact, the Lebanese government can't do it, and shouldn't be expected to. Lebanon has only barely emerged from the bloodletting of it's own civil wars and hasn't even completely shaken off Syrian meddling. It's only a year since Syrian troops are out. Even the large segments of the Lebanese population that are totally opposed to Hezbollah and everything it stands for don't have the strength to take them on. Israel is justified in going after Hezbollah because the Lebanese government and society can't and won't, but Israel should restrict its operations to the south, and avoid as much as possible hitting Beirut and innocent civilians. The preoblem is it can't get all the Hezbollah rockets without hitting innocent civilians, as much as it needs to avoid them, and the survivors of the families killed will be the next generation of Hezbolllah or similar organizations.
I invite you to my blog. The point of view of an Israelian citizen.
Elizabeth
http://dandnisrael.blogspot.com
Totally agree, Brooklin Mike. Both Israel and Lebanon are on tough crossroads. Lebanon must choose between foreign agression or civil war. Israel must choose between fighting back (and commit some war crimes while doing that) or wait for Lebanon to sort the Hezbollah out and look "weak" while doing that (which will prompt further Palestinian and Arab attack)...
Not a great pair of alternatives to choose from...
Help our famillies by donating to the Lebanese Red Cross at:
http://www.donatelebanon.com
This link is currently being
posted on RadioCanada and will be on numerous Lebanese news papers, radios, and televesion websites.
Please help us help them.
@ gazilion
I think it was said rather well, but look "weak" does it mean that you are waek. Its tough to choose any, but it is much better to not choose war.
bless you all
Gazillion, that was a perfect post -
"Both Israel and Lebanon are on tough crossroads. Lebanon must choose between foreign agression or civil war. Israel must choose between fighting back (and commit some war crimes while doing that) or wait for Lebanon to sort the Hezbollah out and look "weak" while doing that (which will prompt further Palestinian and Arab attack)..."
Add to that the fact that Israel already feels that its deterrence has been eaten away by the withdrawals from Lebanon and then Gaza. It's beginning to look more like a major existential question, rather than just a matter of "losing face".
The Lebanese government announced just now that it's army would be joining with Hizballah. Did i hear this correctly? Can you even believe this! Good God we are totally fucked! What a bunch of ass-wips we have in our government. Now we just elevated Nasrallah's agenda! Congratulations to our government, we are now officially a terrorist state.
YO ISRAELI MOM!!!!!! Israel OCCUPIED, KILLED, SLAUGHTERED, TERRORISED the south of lebanon - thank god they withdraw - bunch off repulsive terrorists - they use illegal weapons of stone throwing kids in GAZA and think they have the right to claim land that is not theirs. STOP ALL THIS BULLSHIT IN YOUR HEADS. CEASEFIRE RIGHT NOW - UNCONDITIONALLY - ENOUGH ISRAELI TERRORISM!!! Man the nerve you israeli's have to sit and write ur deluded opinions on blogs, while the blood of innocent lebanese is being sacrificed for your agenda's. The lebanese have nothing to do with Hizbulla, go and talk to Syria and Iran and F*CK OFF from Lebanon.
I meant they use illegal weapons 'on' stone throwing children...
Hey...someone said before:
"The Lebanese government announced just now that it's army would be joining with Hizballah. Did i hear this correctly? Can you even believe this! Good God we are totally fucked! What a bunch of ass-wips we have in our government. Now we just elevated Nasrallah's agenda! Congratulations to our government, we are now officially a terrorist state."
Sweetheart...the government is stuck between Israeli's Evil and Hizbullah's ignorance and arrogance...but at the end of the day if Israel- the enemy-(pick up a history book - also check out this comment from a lebanese ladies memoirs 'dont forget the pregnant women they raped then slit their throats in 1982 - guess CNN didnt screen that, i would know i saw that happen LIVE to my cousin, then the soldier turned to me - my throat was spared my virginity and innocence wasn't')...
the government has no choice but to align the lebanese army with hizbulla as the country would be under completely israeli seige and we have to defend ourselves and our country from their terror. it has nothing to do with hizbullah but about the basic security of the common lebanese man. we are not a terrorist state, never were, never will be - israel is the terrorist.
07:15, I for one can certainly understand our government deploring Israel's behavior, as it is atrocious and completely disproportionate, but to embrace Hizbullah's is totally unacceptable too. We should admonish both behaviors while preaching solidarity for the sake of survival, this should be our clear voice to the world, but NEVER, NEVER should we embrace the very thing that got us into this mess. And don't kid yourself darling, we are on the fringe of being that terror state, especially if our army fights along side Hizbullah.
8:05, If you re-read what i wrote, i did not imply that i am supporting hizbulla, nor do i agree with their agenda or actions. But the fact of the matter is, if israel further harrasses our beloved lebanon, and continues to murder us on a much larger scale...entering our major cities with their tanks...the army has to defend. I would rather the army fight for me, than Hizbulla. Ma badi shi min Hizbulla..they've done enough ya3tiyon alf 3afyeh 3ala hal mseebeh.
Hmmm...i don't believe aligning our army with hizbulla would be in our best interest. Why give Israel any more reason to murder more of us Lebanese. The army couldn't handle Hiz, what would make anyone think we'd have success fighting Israel even with Hiz. Not sure i'm understanding this idea.
I have to say, i'm a little displeased with Saniora's handling of this crisis; although, as someone here accurately posted, he is "stuck between Israeli's Evil and Hezbollah's ignorance and arrogance." I don't know, I too can't help but feel Nasrallah is escaping a well deserved chiding for the sake of being sensitive towards his supporters.
8:56. Yes, understood.
Can there be anymore layers to this conflict? Sweet Jesus! May God be with us.
for anonymous in 7:06 that is shouting at the mom:
maybe you should check your land history and then you will probably find out that your ancestor also conquered your land once upon a time or you wouldn't have a country of your own to fight in right now.
there is'nt a state that hasn't conquered the land it is at today.
I know it's the fashion to point at us with this accusations. but maybe you should put together a sentence that you know it's meaning and not continue to repeat the same sentences you heared from other people. think for yourself for once!
besides that I hope you OK. you can shout and swear all you want - but I Choose not to be your enemy as long as I can hold on to it. and I believe I can. so there you go.
I urge keren to stop living a lie. 7:06 didn't mention anything about 'conquering' im sorry but as a non-arab but a European, I have nothing to do with this whole ordeal so i can be objective. Infact I am working on my PHD in Arab History, and I lecture at a University. So Keren maybe you should read up on history and enlighten yourself rather than regurgitate what is being fed to you. It is unacceptable what Israel is doing regardless of their justification. It is deplorable and sickening. I visited the website posted by 18:30 - god help the lebanese from the Israeli wrath, the world is feeling with you, truly.
Keren, Israel had no choice but to withdraw from South Lebanon, simply because it is not theirs. It is not about 'command and conquer' but about human rights and decency and sovereignty. So you would find it acceptable if somebody came and conquered israel now and claimed it there own. Please give more educated responses. I pray for Lebanon, I pray for ceasefire and I pray for U.S to act as it is in their hands.
For Anonymous 7:06, you may have been shouting, but this is from your pain. Israeli mom be more sensitive, if your truly a mom you too should be outraged at the crimes against the innocent israel is commiting, visit the website...i urge you. What disturbed me most was the Israeli girls writing messages on the missiles, if that isnt terrorism...then i dont know what is.
I welcome this space where people of every region can talk, so let's try and keep it more or less civil. I think we've run though the range of "you're to blame", "No, you're to blame". I am reassured to a degree by the Israeli contributions, explaining ordinary people's lack of animosity overall to Lebanese people.
But there is one major issue in how Israel is perceived internationally. We don't live in Israel. We don't know your neighbours, your sports clubs. We haven't seen your kids play football or whatever. We don't have barbecues together on summer evenings. So for the rest of the world (and I'll make a headline out of this):
ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.
I have no emotional connection with the Israelis, apart from a vague notion of them being plucky, resourceful people. But when it comes to Israel as a state, I can only judge you by your collective actions.
ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.
When you withdraw from occupied Gaza and created the world's largest open-plan prison while at the same time continuing to create colonies in other ethnically-cleansed areas, what am I supposed to think? When you withdrew from the Lebanon and blocked the wells on the way out, what am I supposed to think? When you raided the Palestine prison to kidnap (that word familiar?) political prisoners, what am I supposed to think? When you ignore 27 UN resolutions (correct me if I'm wrong someone), what am I supposed to think?
ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.
So when you (collectively) escalate a border confrontation and consequently invade Lebanon, what am I supposed to think? When the first targets are civilian infrastructure (Beirut airport, new bridges) even before targetting the Hezbollah HQ, what am I supposed to think? This has been followed by the destruction of factories, the country's largest dairy plant, ambulances, etc. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Someone once told, "The Israelis and like the Americans, they're very bad losers. When they feel they have lost something, they will kick and scream and punch until they get what they want". The same person also maintains that Israel is not interested in peace, per se. They are interested in maintaining military and economic superiority. Given the past week, what am I supposed to think?
The current agression is completely unacceptable, delporable and sickening. But:
ISRAEL IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES.
Michel. You are a genius. long live lebanon.
Michel, I agree with you all the way. And I hope you don't mind if I post it to other blogs.
I read these comments and I see lots of split feelings among Israelis and Lebanese (special non-Shia Lebanese). I feel tempted to verbalize the common, empty saying, «I can understand how you feel...» — but the fact is that I can't. I can't even imagine what's like being on your shoes.
My country was last invaded in 1814.
Our last civil war ended in 1834 (excluding minor confrontations with few casualties in 1912 and 1919).
Our last war (1961-1974) was fought far away in Africa, and it ended when I was 2.
So no, I can't imagine and it's hard for me to picture what you're going through...
people... you are ignoring from 1 important issue: lebanone is a hostel for the hezbollah. they are attacking isral days and nights from where? who gives them the rights to do so? who can't give israel a political solutions?
israel is not rulling in lebanone, the hezbollah is rulling in lebanone with suria and iran. israel will not let them to rull in her country. i guess you all rather that the jews will die in aushwitz camp but we had seen on our flash where you all were then, and we feel all the time your "love" since then. you all hipocrats that sit on blood lands.
israel will not give you the pleazure... we will be strong and we will live and grow in all espects. and yes. israel is what israel does. she is protecting her children and not educate them to be shahids... most of the people in israel know what suffer is... we can feel the lebanonies, no one wants to kill or to be killed... but the lebanonies don't have the answers and the streangth to vanish the hezbolla. so in a greate pain and losts the israeli's must and has the responsibility to protect it's children.
it's very easy to you all the europian to sit on your fat pots and to judge... you are eating one side of the media news... you know nothing about the people of israel... nothing.
Correct me if I am wrong, when I say it is not self-defence? I have read this article from some one who is neither Israeli nor Lebanese.
I quote the paragraph below and I let you read the rest if you like to. Is that the check list that Israel been making for past 6 years? I guess the check list has one item on it and that’s Lebanese people.
… In the last 24 hours we found the Israelis have turned to attacking a milk factory, Liban Lait -- it’s actually the producers of milk I drink every morning in my tea -- a paper box factory, for heaven’s sakes, hardly a terrorist target. We've already seen them smash up the runways of Beirut Airport and destroy part of the -- most of the lighthouse, the new Manara lighthouse, in Beirut. The Israelis today even attacked the factory which imports Procter & Gamble goods here. We've had an ambulance convoy, a convoy of new ambulances from the United Emirates, cross from Syria into Lebanon, got attacked from the air. It's an all-out war against the economy infrastructure of a country that was at last beginning to look modern again, after the 15 years of civil war, which cost 150,000 lives. And it's very sad to see….
the rest
To the 17:27 poster:
You say, «it's very easy to you all the europian to sit on your fat pots and to judge...»
I'm European and I've been reading a lot of posts in this blog, and from all parts — Israel, Lebanon, Europe, America — I have read all kinds of interpretations and feelings: total hatred towards Israel, total hatred toward Arabs and Muslims, split feelings of all kinds, expressions of sympathy, frustration on each one's country's attitudes, ... ALL kind!
If there is one thing we can say about this site is that it's all but one-sided.
To the 17:27 poster:
You say, «you are eating one side of the media news... you know nothing about the people of israel... nothing.»
You don't know what media reports I've been reading and viewing. You don't know what I know about Israel nor what I think about the people of Israel.
And if there is someone who is getting at least a glimpse of both sides of media news is us (the outsiders). In the field, when you're part of it, it is hard to get the other side's point of view. How much of the Lebanese version are you getting right now?
/An European who hates when other people think they know what he's thinking.
To jonjo:
Many bombings on civil targets are due to bad intel. For example, I heard about some machines to drill for wells being bombed, because they look like rocket launching ramps when you look on air survaillance photos...
@ gazilion:
I wish I coould accept that but Israel is one the few which claims in having the best intel services.
p.s those factories been there for years!
About the claims of having the best intel services: you know that's 1/3 true, 1/3 destined to rest assured the Israeli people and 1/3 to keep Arabs at bay...
Nothing what is said by politicians is 100% true, the % drops when we're talking about the military, and drops even further when we're talking about intel services. One of the main weapons of intel services is deceipt...
About the factories being there for years:
(1) I said «many bombings» — not all (I have no romantic view of any side of this conflict. No one is 100% innocent or 100% guilty here.)
(2) It's not easy when you're fighting an irregular "army", that deliberately infiltrates the civilians...
@ gazilion : I agree
jonjo - it's horrible all that damage in those factories. but who gives the hezbollah to live and act among citizens and factories? if the israelies wanted to kill people and ruin factories eor fun, believe me, they would'nt send any notes from the sky to the cevillians to far away... i did'nt see yet any note from hezbollah before they bombing us. and our economy is not damaged? israel is so rich?
u think we don't prepher to build our selves instead of throwing our money on a nusty war?
let me tell u something. my buisness is based on tourism. now, in the high season every thing is fucked up.
no one enjoy it dear...
gazilion
i can see perfect how the cnn, sky news, bbc, tvsmonde etc. are dealing with the news... there is no 1 quite week in israel... but it's very popular to show israel's strong army and then the poor injuries in the other side.
what about the daily bombs we recive in north and south? the bombs in busses, restaurants and malls all over the country? do u know how meny of these our police and army sucseed to prevent? it's a routine here. do u know what damages it couses?
unbearble traffics to work, we are avoiding from our children to go out or to go by busses, our lives are not stable at all.
i travled a lot in europe. my parents from europe so every body nice untill they here that i'm from israel. i'm not a paranoide as i know... :)
so... i don't think that i know what other's think. i FEEL it and i SEE it. (and i don't care... i got my country and loving place, it just motivates me to protect it better).
heyoldtimer - don't worry.. they ARE blowing up T.A busses, and malls, and restaurants... and u can be happy - it happens in jerusalem, haifa, beer-sheva etc. too. u see?
after all life isn't so bad
ho, and gazilion -
"
And if there is someone who is getting at least a glimpse of both sides of media news is us (the outsiders). In the field, when you're part of it, it is hard to get the other side's point of view. How much of the Lebanese version are you getting right now?"
i'm getting lebanese versions and palestines versions and even more...
meny friends of mine are arabs. i don't hate arabs. i can garentee u that i feel for them warmer feelings from most of the europiens. cause our desteny is very similiar. i work very hard as a social activist in order to union hearts from both sides. by education in schools, by gem parties in haifa and t.a. and by my personal votes and behaviour.
i just want u to see the whole picture. that's it.
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Thursday, July 20, 2006
I Am Out!
by zadigvoltaire
300 Lebanes dead????? What about the Israeli deaths? They don't count, ah? You, all the Arabs are the same!
Wake up and see what is going on with Islamic threat around the world. You will be shocked!
Check:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Islamic terrorists have carried more than 5404 deadly terror atacks since 9/11 and things are worsening! Tis web site deals only with facts, without any prejudice and manipulation. What I deplore most is that the moderate muslims don't speak out loudly enough against these neo-nazi barbaric acts.
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