Unite
Today whatever our grievances, we should unite. We do not need more divisions and another civil war because everyone will surely loose.
Let us unite, not for Nasrallah, nor for Jumblatt. Let us unite because we are all in the same boat even though Hezbollah is driving it. But if we panic we will all sink.
Some of the displaced are lifting Hezbollah flags in certain regions that have opened their houses and schools for them and that is causing friction. But forgive those who provoke. They have lost their houses and their land. They have lost everything they had. Embrace them, after all they are Lebanese like you.
Hezbollah may serve Iran and Syria, but the majority of its supporters are poor and miserable people who need welfare. Be patient and unite and defend your brothers even if they are wrong.
As for Hezbollah supporters, they should be more humble and not label people who truly care about their country more than any cause as traitors. Indeed, the Party of God has conscripted the whole Lebanese population to join their ultimate battle. Can't they understand our anger and grief?
This is the moment to turn the other cheek to Hezbollah, especially when Israeli bombs are killing our children and ruining our dreams.
Let us unite, not for Nasrallah, nor for Jumblatt. Let us unite because we are all in the same boat even though Hezbollah is driving it. But if we panic we will all sink.
Some of the displaced are lifting Hezbollah flags in certain regions that have opened their houses and schools for them and that is causing friction. But forgive those who provoke. They have lost their houses and their land. They have lost everything they had. Embrace them, after all they are Lebanese like you.
Hezbollah may serve Iran and Syria, but the majority of its supporters are poor and miserable people who need welfare. Be patient and unite and defend your brothers even if they are wrong.
As for Hezbollah supporters, they should be more humble and not label people who truly care about their country more than any cause as traitors. Indeed, the Party of God has conscripted the whole Lebanese population to join their ultimate battle. Can't they understand our anger and grief?
This is the moment to turn the other cheek to Hezbollah, especially when Israeli bombs are killing our children and ruining our dreams.
posted by zadigvoltaire at 9:03 PM
32 Comments:
how many cheeks do you have?
Tal,
We know that Tel Aviv is much closer to beirut than Tahran.
What you fail to see is South Lebanon in much closer to Beirut than Tel Aviv.
No matter how wrong the Shia can be, it is with them and amongst them that we are going to live the rest of our lives. And Hizbollah are part of us even when they make mistakes and mess up and do us and do you harm.
Besides, you guys are holding us responsible anyway, so the least we can do is stand by the displaced and homeless no matter what their political opinions are.
When all this is over, we'll se how we can prevent it from happening again with Hizbollah, but for now we are (as you insisted on putting us ) in the the same boat as Hizballah and their supporters and that's how we'll take it it, till the bombs stop falling.
To anonymous,
So let's stop the bombs now. Right now.
Put the Lebanese army on the border with Israel, disarm the Hezballah, stop them fro shooting missiles on Israeli towns and return the Israeli kidnapped soldiers. Undo Hezbullah's deeds and the bombs will stop, and then we can all lick our wounds.
David, an evacuee from Northern Israel.
Do you friggin people realize that Lebanon with Hizb'allah will NEVER be free??? Do you realize that this radical virus among muslims is virulent in the extreme, and that if this ideology is not stamped out, you will doom your GRANDCHILDREN to be Hezb'allah slaves?? Maybe mine, too! These people who flout civilization are a CANCER in the midst of your beautiful country! Do you ever want to see another tourist dollar ever again? Do you want your economy to FLOURISH or do you choose to starve?!? Do you want to doom your countrymen who don't have the financial means to flee the country to violence on them because some thug THINKS he might be a snitch?
Are you content to doom the women in your country to the veil and worse? No education, no freedom, little, if any medical care, not even as much worth as an animal?!? Is this what you would doom your own people to because the lot of you don't have the backbone to rise up agains these savages and take your country back?!!?
I am appalled at your countrymen's lack of patriotism for their own country that they would let it be taken over by a bunch of uneducated, unwashed thugs with guns instead of helping the very people who are trying to help you rid yourselves of them. Geeze...why don't the Lebanese find their gumption and stand up to the terrorists??!
Greetings from Brazil!
While we from the other side of the world seeand are horrified with the scenes of war, and while 80% of Brazilians see the Israeli attacks as too imposing on Lebanese civilians, we cannot condone the radical positions adopted by Hezbollah.
Brazilians tend to think of themselves as liberals and a peace-loving people despite all of our problems. The conflict in the middle east is just to distant and too complicated for most Brazilians to truly grasp it -- to understand all of its sides.
What is clear to most Brazilians, however, is that as long as Israel respects and negotiate with its neighbors respecting human dignity, it has every right to live in peace within secure borders and without being attacked or suffer terrorist attacks - be it from states or terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah.
The general view in Brazil is that even though Hezbollah really plays a charity role and functions as a party, it still is much more a terrorist organization than anything else, with fundamentalists who do not respect minorities in Lebanon and truly want to destroy Israel running the show.
Claiming the Shabaa farmlands as a motive to attack Israel - a land that never belonged to Lebanon according to the UN itself - is preposterous.
Brazilians ar appalled to see the destruction Israel is causing, but most of us still see Hezbollah as the true ones responsible for attacking Israel in its soil and bringing Lebanon and Israel into this war.
This fanaticism by Hezbollah becomes even more clear when for example we open one of the main newspapers here in Brazil today, 27/7 - called O Estado de S. Paulo (www.estadao.com.br) - and see two opposing interviews.
The first is with the military aid to the President of Israel, Ron Benyishay (http://www.estado.com.br/editorias/2006/07/27/int-1.93.9.20060727.9.1.xml). He doesn't justify the large number of civilian casualties, on the contrary, he also says that even when civilians die, the bombardments are meant to cripple Hezbollahs ability, and he does make a point of asking the journalist, what people expected Israel to do when you have rockets falling on their towns, and Hezbollah enters its territory and kills and kidnaps its soldiers. He asks if people expect them to give sedatives to hezbollah instead of attacking them.
This interview while does not calm the heart of Brazilians who see the destruction and killing in Lebanon, gives us food for thought. Why Hezbollah decides to go to war without consulting the government in which it participates and the people it so claims to love?
On the next page we see an interview with Hezbollah parliament member Hussein al-Hajj Hassan (http://www.estado.com.br/editorias/2006/07/27/int-1.93.9.20060727.3.1.xml).
You know what he says? That they do not regret the operation to capture the soldiers, that they would do it all over again even if they knew Israel would do what it did, that they will not give up their arms, that they will not agree to a cease-fire even if it means making this war bigger, and that they never attacked Israel - the operation to capture Israeli soldier was a defense act, against Israel keeping Hezbollah militants (who attacked Israel) in jails (as any civilized country would do.
Even more shocking is to read what he says next (my translation):
"Reporter: It seems you are considering this [Hezbollah winning the war] might not happen?
Hassan: This is not a possibility. We will fight till the end. I must explain what is our education. It is about death, victory, and martyrs. ... "
We Brazilians value life not death. Apparently so do the Israelis, because whenever we see they speaking they say they want to protect their lives, the sanctity of life, and even being sorry for civilian deaths on the other side - be it Lebanese or Palestinias.
Reading this opposes Israel to Hezbollah, and while Brazilians are sorry for the Lebanese, it turns this opposition to the sanity and responsible views of a state who values life even though it wages war in a very forcible way, to the clear insanity and craziness of Hezbollah.
Moreover, reading this creates even more misconception in the West about muslim values. No one here would ever say that our culture or education is that of death and martyrdom, but rather life and social justice.
The Lebanese should really unite -- not against Israel who would not be bombing all of Lebanon if Hezbollah had not done what it did -- but against Hezbollah who has kidnapped all of Lebanon for their crazy, pan-Islamic, imperialistic views of righteousness in this world.
Throwing the whole region into a war is only good for Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. The Lebanese (and Israelis) gain nothing from it!
THE TRUTH:
I am lebanese, i will stand united for the sake of limiting the worry about civil unrest. Some my ask, why do we cowtow to Hizbullah, Its NOT because we like them, 99.9% of non Shi'a do not like them, it's because we are fragile, we know from past experience the jihadist that can come pouring in from Syria, Jordan, Iran, Palestinians and God knows who else. The supply of them is limitless. And that was yesteryear, the new modern jihadist is the dreaded suicide bomber. If you think the indiscriminate bombing taking place now is bad, just wait till they start blowing up out cafes, buses, shopping malls and Monot St. because we didn't back them. So you ask why we side with them, it's because we fear them, not just them, but the cesspool of terrorist that surround us. We are held hostage to them, we are outnumbered. We are in a sea of Arab ghetto. We don't want Lebanon to turn into Iraq where 100 or so innocent people die each day. It's all so dreadful. We are really given no choice. Let it me known however, we stand united for lebanon, not for Hizbullah. P.S. They are not out brothers, they may live in this land, but believe me, they have no allegiance to this country. May God save us beautiful lebanese.
> David. said...
> So let's stop the bombs now. Right now.
I really apreciate the attempt. Stay safe. Unfortunately it is not your decision to make. No matter what you and I agree on, Olmert will keep bombing and Hizbollah will keep lauching rockets.
> Do you friggin people realize that Lebanon with Hizb'allah will NEVER be free???
We also realize hizbollah and their supporters are 30% of the population. Some of us will not support ethnic cleansing of 30% of the population because you made a comparison to cancer.
We can also be free by intergrating them and making them part of us. You (and them) chose the path of death and killing we chose the path of dialogue.
> Are you content to doom the women in your country to the veil and worse?
> No education, no freedom, little, if any medical care, not even as much worth as an animal?!?
Unfortunately what you fali to understand is that hizbollah get their popular support PRECISELY because they provide people who live in the south whith free education and free medical care.
You expect the people to bite the hand that feed them. You expect us to kill and kick out the people who don't bite the hand that fed them
I plan to provide those people with schooling and healthcare INSTEAD of hizbollah then ask them to let go of Hizbalah.
Yes it might take a few years, you pretend you don't have time. I know better ...
To the brazilian guy,
About valuing the sanctity of life.
> Apparently so do the Israelis, because whenever we see they speaking they say they want to protect
> their lives, the sanctity of life,
I have no doubt in my mind that Hizballah does not value the sanctity of life. Howver to me those statements by Israelis show hypocrysi and nothing else.
They keep talkin about the sanctity of life and they killed in the past two weeks (acording ot the latest figures) about 10 times more Lebanese civilians than the terrosts killed israelis (combined military and civilians).
They killed in the past two weeks over 30 times more civlians than Hizbollah had killed Israelis in the past 6 years. (according to the Israeli press, that's one Israeli civilian dead and 12 soldiers between 2000 and 2006)
So I see Hizbollah's disregard for human life but I see also Israel's hypocrisy and disdain of human life.
> The Lebanese should really unite -- not against Israel who would not be bombing all of Lebanon if
> Hezbollah had not done what it did -- but against Hezbollah
The rest of the lebanese (70% vs 30%) of them were usited against Hizbollah and trying though dialogue to get it to frop the fight.
Apparently some of those who "value life" wanted us to usite against them and fight them to the death ...
Anonymous with THE TRUTH:
> So you ask why we side with them, it's because we fear them
That might be your truth but not everyone's truth.
Not everyone sides with them because they fear them.
Some of us don't agree with their position or their ideology but are ready to try to understand and try to chaneg without resorting to killing.
nowhereman
Yes putting up the flag is not the smartest thing to do, and when they are asked they remove it. You don't care but I understand then if someone who's poor and has nothing but a house and israel destroyed his house and kicked him out and he has to live in the street he feels angry and wants to show some act of defiance and rebellion against those who destroyed his house and killed his relatives.
Yes it is stupid but if the Israeli Army does as many stupid things as it is doing (like shotin git own people by n\mistake, and shooting the UN after being asked to stop bombing the area 10 times) , at least you can try to understand a refugee who has lost everything and did something "stupid".
> Turning a blind eye
No one is turning a blind eye on anything. I don't think the killing of civilians by Hizbollah is acceptable more than the bombing of civilians by Lebanese.
We don't want an excuse to hate jews more than you are looking for an excuse to hate shi3a, you don't see me advocating bombing you to have peace liek you are doing.
> If a guest endangers my peaceful household
You keep trating the shia and Hizbolah like a guest!
They were born here they have lived here for thousands of years. As much as yuo and some lebanese want to treat them as a guest and kick them out this country is theirs as much as it is ours.
And we have to find a way to both live in it and agree on a way to preserve it.
Syria and Israel and Iran keep interfering adn keep trying to oppose their will but all of you are the guest endangering the household.
That's why we kicked the syrians, that' why we'll do our best to kick you if you from Lebanon and that's why we cannot and will not kick the shi3a and hizballah out but try to change them. It is their house too.
Same anonymous as 4th comment.
PS : When I say we don't mean all the Lebanese just some of them, obviously others feel different.
“Hezbullah is an integral part of the beautiful Lebanese mosaic. To destroy Hezbullah is to destroy Lebanon.”
Is this how Lebanese people think?
Folks, you are amazing.
Are you saying that we Israelis must suffer HA attacks quietly in order to allow you to appease the fascist warmongers who happen to share your country? Think again.
Anat, there will be border conflicts for the next 10 years no matter what way you look at it. Israel does not have normal relations with any of its neighbours. That is a sad fact of life for everyone involved.
But the bigger question was how to disarm Hezbollah and/or integrate it into political life. Trying to bomb the **** out of it at the expense of Lebanon was not the only option by far. I still feel the latest incident was jumped on as a pretext by the Israeli military, that already had a plan and was waiting for an oportunity to use it.
Tell me, do you really think this is the best way to deal with Hezbollah and its nascent relations with Hamas? There really was no other option? I find the principle of NOT talking ("tell him to tell Syria to stop Hezbollah" - how many degrees away from the problem is the US?) a strange and counter-productive one.
So - What do you propose? Give HA free hand in Lebanon and forbid Israel to retaliate? WAKE UP AS LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE HIZB YOU ARE ACCOMPLICES - YOU WILL PAY FOR ITS SINS - Too bad and tough luck, particularly when I hear your stupid moron President Lahoud backing the "resistance" oops "the Hezb"
All you peaceniks and apologists make me sick. I guess that's the major difference between you Lebanese and Americans. Americans would see 30% as a MINORITY. The Lebanese see a 30% minority with bombs and guns as the boss. It's a pity you don't love your country as much as you whine that you do, because with a 70% MAJORITY who does not support Hezb'allah, you would think the men in that majority could find some balls, contact the Israeli military (you can do it with an email these days you cowardly, whiny, apologist pricks) and help them destroy these terrorists!! Americans damn sure would, but then again, we have the COURAGE to defend our convictions. So what if you die trying?? You'll be a hero, and you'll die in a noble manner, instead of cowering in Europe, whining about how the ISRAELIS are ruining your beautiful land. The Israelis aren't doing it, HEZB'ALLAH IS.
The Lebanese people are ALLOWING themselves to be held hostage by a militant, cowardly ideology that values death, martyrdom and destruction of life. Infact they WORSHIP it! What the hell is wrong with you people???? Wake up! Take your country back from these animals! Don't cower in shame and apologize to the world, who, by the way, are watching CLOSELY, that you are afraid of them! Do something! If every one of the 70% MAJORITY in your country would arm themselves and shoot just one Hezb'allah, they'd be GONE.
And don't think that calling it an "ethnic cleansing" is making it prettier or uglier, depending on your point of view. This has nothing to do with ethnicity, it has to do with a hateful, destructive, murdering IDEOLOGY (otherwise known as the Religion of Peas). All the Hezb'allah fighters are LEBANESE OR PALESTINIAN, so there is no ethnic clensing involved here, it's about stamping out a virulent cancer in your midst.
I think the deal here is that the middle class and elites in your country are like our Natalie Maines....who needs patriotism?? Who cares about a country, after all it's just a bit of land, right? It will still be there in a million years when all of us are dead and gone, right?
You should, one and all, be ASHAMED of yourselves!! This is not just a bit of land, it's YOUR birthright! That bit of land gave you LIFE and it's your DUTY to defend it from the murduring animals you have allowed to thrive in your midst because it was too much trouble to put them down when you could have.
As for Hezb'allah providing schools and hospitals? Sure they do, so they can build munitions dumps in the basements! Position rocket launchers on the roofs! So that they can move their soldiers and assets in AMBULANCES and cry that civillian assets have been damaged when they're BOMBED OUT. Are you really that stupid? I don't think so. I think you're just LAZY. Too interested in your own ass to do your duty to your country and take it back from the terrorists!
You know, I started out believing that the Lebanese people could be the victims as well in this tragedy, but after reading all the apologetic crap on this and other blogs, I've come to realize that you're just a bunch of lazy, good for nothing Arabs who support the murdering savages in your country as long as they're not killing YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
You make me sick.
To the Annonymous poster that says he chooses dialog:
You sir, are an idiot. How do you think you can have dialog with people who want to kill you first? How are you going to facilitate that dialog with your head detached from your body? It's kinda hard to talk when your vocal chords are cut in half....
How can you have a realistic dialog with people who have less formal education than an American 6th grader? How can you have a realistic dialog with people whose organization's CHARTER AND CONSTITUTION calls for the destruction of not just another country, but another PEOPLE? Boy, talk about your ethnic cleansing. It's not the Israelis that want to do the ethnic cleansing, it's GODDAMMNED HEZB'ALLAH. They want to cleanse the earth of Jews. THAT'S ethnic cleansing.
How do you have a realistic dialog with savages who would rather lop your head off while you're talking than actually argue the merits of their hateful, murdering ideology?
How do you have a realistic dialog with people who do not see you as human?
You cannot have meaningful dialog with people who believe with all they are that their religion says to conquer the world for Islam by the sword. There is no room for diplomacy in such a place.
You cannot have meaningful dialog with apologists and dhimmis who are negotiating in bad faith because they don't really speak for the extremists in the trenches, who would use that cease fire to re-arm themselves and regroup to fight another day? OF COURSE THE DIPLOMATS WANT TO DANCE!! It's what they do! It's job security!
What is wrong with a people who are so afraid of a minority of thugs who are not representitive (so the apologists say) of their ideals, nor do they represent a majority of the peace loving citizens in a given society, who will sit by or flee the country instead of standing up to this crimminal element and saying to them "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?" You will no longer use our country as a playground for war, and if we can't disarm you ourselves, will work with the people who are on the ground and WILLING to do the ugly, dirty work of ridding the country of you! How can you not say that?
Zadig,
I hope you and your family find safety and peace - in England or wherever else you may eventually settle. For your family's sake you made a painful but correct decision and I congratulate you.
As to the 'comments' on your posts, well, they form an interesting lesson in politics and sociology. Anyone wishing to understand why there is so much violence in the region would do well to read all of the comments appended here.
There are those who truly believe what they say and there are those who seem to be provovateurs. Then there are those excellent examples of humanity who have nothing but insult and harm to spew and who hide behind the 'anonymous' tag - cowards and gutter-crawlers. How very like the middle-east itself.
This conversation has taken a strange twist but whatever ...
Jhon smith, I may be wrong but you seem like the only one asking a question on this thread looking for an answer ... some do think that way.
Actually I suppose they mean: to attempt to destroy Hizballah and their supporters you will inevitably destroy Lebanon in the process. There is no way to surgically make Hizbollah disapear.
But I am trying to explain the quote without context, so I can't be so sure.
> Anat, Haifa said...
> Folks, you are amazing.
It seems you guys are easilly amazed ... Maybe you don't understand the world as much as you think you? That's why people keep amazing you?
> Are you saying that we Israelis must suffer HA attacks quietly in order to allow you to appease
> the fascist warmongers who happen to share your country? Think again.
I am not saying anything about what Israelis should do. They can do whatever they feel like doing. I was talking about what we will do.
You make it seem like your retaliation made you suffer less?
Apparently you guys suffer more if you are "quiet" and Hezbollah is killing less than a dozen military every five years, but you suffer less when hizballah kills 50 israelis in two weeks.
Great, I'm not complaining, have your war, kill them, us and yourselves, i hope you are having a blast. Pun intended.
> So - What do you propose? Give HA free hand in Lebanon and forbid Israel to retaliate?
I didn't say that. If you cannot see anything between the two extrems I know I can't say anything to change your mind.
> WAKE UP AS LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE HIZB YOU ARE ACCOMPLICES - YOU WILL PAY FOR ITS SINS -
Yap, that's right, that's what's happening, I didn't say otherwise.
I suppose I could tell you in all caps to wake up and as long as you'll throw more violence at the issue the more violent the whole situation will be (to you and us) but I'd rather let you discover it for yourself.
I guess the number of Israelis killed by Hizbollah is not enough for you, great, escalate the violence kill more Hizbollah and more lebanese and more Israelis. Maybe if you keep bombing them, Hizbollah will wake up one day and decide hey don't want to shot rockets at you and don't want to die fighting you.
And maybe (and maybe that will amaze you too) more people will hate israel and will be ready to die in order to fight it.
> ... your stupid moron President Lahoud ...
Oh well , I suppose he is stupid and moron and apointed by syria and leaving next year.
Luckily he is not in control so he's not as relevant as you like him to be.
Anonymous said...
> All you peaceniks and apologists make me sick
heheheh well I guess all the talking was not wasted :-)
If I was able to make you sick then that's enough for me.
> All the Hezb'allah fighters are LEBANESE OR PALESTINIAN, so there is no ethnic clensing involved here,
Display of ignorance, All the Hizbollah fighters are Lebanese shiaa.
Also almost all the shiaa in Lebanon support them.
> to defend our convictions
You might have not gotten it in your thick skull yet so I'll repeat.
We will DIE under israely bombs defending our convictions that killing 30% of the Lebanese is not something we will allow to happen, certainly not be accomplice in doing.
I would never accept the minority of Jews in the middle east to be ethnicly cleanesed nor will I accept the same fate for the Shiaa in Lebanon.
And let the bombs keep falling and see if I'll stop defending my convicyions ;-)
Is that good enough for you?
> it's about stamping out a virulent cancer in your midst.
Oh .... now I understand .... killing people is like killing cancer .... now you make me understand the world ... maybe one day I too will be able to make a comparision with cancer, then no one will be able to disagree with me.
You compare them to cancer, they compare you to cancer maye if you shout it louder you'll be right.
> You should, one and all, be ASHAMED of yourselves!!
> This is not just a bit of land, it's YOUR birthright!
> That bit of land gave you LIFE and it's your DUTY to defend it from the murduring animals you
> have allowed to thrive in your midst
Hahahahhahaha that's the best one so far, made my day.
Dude whatever you are smoking you need to tell us ... are you sure you don't work for Hizballah ?
You must be copy pasting this paragraph form one of their propagande leaflets.
Isn't that the same crap Hamas uses to tell the palestinians to kill Jews? The same crap Hizbollah uses to tell shiaa to kill Jews and he same crap you are using to tell me to kill Shiaa.
Hehehhe somehow when you say it all makes sense.
The rest of your comment shown obvious ignorance and missunderstanding of the issue not to mention the hate, so I will refrain from commenting on it.
And last Anonymous I am getting a bit tired replying, luckily you make htings easy for me so it won't take long.
> You sir, are an idiot
if it makes you feel smart.
I guess that gives me a valid reason to ignore the rest of your comment, if you really care for an answer to your questions you will have to re-ask them without the personal insults.
I suppose thought and thought and thought and could not find an answer to things like:
> How can you have a realistic dialog with people whose organization's CHARTER AND CONSTITUTION
> calls for the destruction of not just another country, but another PEOPLE?
So you assumed no one else can. Well you can re ask if you really want to know.
I have to agree with you on the following though:
> It's not the Israelis that want to do the ethnic cleansing, it's GODDAMMNED HEZB'ALLAH.
> They want to cleanse the earth of Jews. THAT'S ethnic cleansing.
Yap that's what they usually say about the Jews, see I never said they were right or that I agreed with them, I was saying I am better than to act like them. Apparently you guys are not any better.
Again if you had not attacked me personnaly I would have bothered telling you why Hizbollah were not going to cleanse the earth or even the middle east of the Jews. But hey, you heard someone say it on TV and now you'll kill them all to prevent them form killing all the Jews, keep it up, both of you.
>You make me sick.
Two birds in one stone must be my lucky day :-)
Same anonymous coward with the previous long post.
Anonymous said...
> It seems you guys are easilly amazed ... Maybe you
> don't understand the world as much as you think
> you? ...
> You make it seem like your retaliation made
> you suffer less?
> Apparently you guys suffer more if you
> are "quiet" and Hezbollah is killing less
> than a dozen military every five years, but you
> suffer less when hizballah kills 50 israelis
> in two weeks. Great, I'm not complaining,
> have your war, kill them, us and yourselves,
> i hope you are having a blast. Pun intended.
Let me try and amaze you a little bit - because perhaps you don't understand the world as much as you think you do.
We retaliate because WE ARE AFRAID.
We hear Hizballa's leader threaten us. We see him carrying out his threats. We see Hizballa amassing 10,000 missiles and aiming them at our children. And all that time we hear him promise to wipe us off the map.
But we don't want to be wiped off the map. So we act. We act out of fear that - if we don't do anything - Hizballa will keep gaining strength, and eventually be able to wipe us off the map.
We are willing to suffer now in order to save ourselves the much greater pain that we fear.
My last comment made me wonder: do you Arabs know how much we fear you?
Please let me know here.
> Let me try and amaze you a little bit ...
> We retaliate because WE ARE AFRAID
On the contrary you are the only one acting like a human being and trying to make sense instead of shouting louder the same things others are shouting.
You are not name calling you are not comparing anyone to any desease you are not saying it is OK to kill civilians and you are not telling me what I should be feeling.
You are saying you did this because you feel afraid and I understand how someone not following Hizbollah and Lebanese politics closely would surely feel that way, and I respect your saying it allot.
Your whole comment is a legitimate concern even though I beleive the fear was misplaced, and the overreaction was probably at the wrong time so I will try to address these points and explan my thoughts later today on your blog. (Electricity just went off and my batteries won't last long)
Same anonymous coward.
And another thing. I've just realized that the hero calling for Lebanese to stand up and be counted is the very same who informed us a few days back that he left Lebanon and cares no more. You decide which side of honour/shame is relevant here.
I feel sorry that you came to this conclusion. Giving your second cheek will result in giving up your soul your faith, trust, confidence and hopes.
The reasonable people from both sides must fight for their dreams and not play to the hands of the Hezbollah or Iran. We have to stop them from setting the agenda for us, from washing our life with blood. Unfortunately, the only way to do it is by eliminating them. I consider Hezbollah as a mutual enemy of both Israel and Lebanon.
Once we'll have peace, as me and the majority of Israelis are wishing for. You will be acquainted with us better and see that there are much in common between our tow people.
Let us both save our second cheek for kisses!!!
Dorit, tel aviv
The ultimate goal of an Israeli soldier is to finish his 3 years duty without getting himself killed, go to that one year trip to South America, study computer software in the Technion university, get a nice job in CheckPoint, marry Bar Refaeli and have 3 cute kids.
The ultimate goal of a Hezbullah fighter is to die as a martyr.
What the hell is wrong with these guys?
I'm sorry for the Annon thing, but it's the way these blog comments are set up. If you don't sign up for a blog, there is no way to post a name...who cares anyway, right? It's ALL annonymous.
Let me restate my position on dialog with Hezb'allah. If you are going to have a dialog with your enemy, there has to be a certain amount of good faith based negotiation. Hezb'allah does not negotiate in good faith, because they would use a hudna or a cease-fire or whatever you want to call it to resupply. They have made it absolutely clear that they will not give up until the world is cleansed of Jews. What part of that do you not understand?
This is exactly the same situation as the run up to WWII, i.e., nobody took Hitler seriously after he published Mein Kampf, when he made public statement after public statement that he intended to wipe the Jews off the earth permanently, so he got away with murdering 6 million of them before the world took notice and realized that he was dead serious.
Do we really need a repeat of this? Does no one learn from history? Hamas and Hezb'allah have stated catigorically, time and time again that their sole aim in life is to rid the world of Jews, so why doesn't anybody want to take this as a serious threat? Of course, we all know that this is just the first phase in their "plan" and after they run out of Jews to kill, they'll turn on their own. I really don't understand how any serious, thinking person can just ignore or not take this rhetoric seriously, since they've shown they're willing to back it up.
As for the Lebanese people....wahhhhhhh. You allowed these crimminals into your government, and now all you can do is wring your hands and cry "we don't really support them!" But from the outside, it appears that you do. I'm sorry you're afraid, and the price for fear is violence. Violence to conquer you, and violence to keep you down on their level.
Actually, in America, we can relate to your Hezzie thugs. We call them street gangs, and they are uneducated and extremely violent, and have pretty much taken over parts of Los Angeles, and other cities in the Southwest of this country. Granted, I am afraid of them, too. MS-13 is nothing to sneeze at, and I'm sure they'd give Hezb'allah a run for their collective monies in hand to hand combat, because like Hezb'allah, they're all willing to die for their gang.
But I will tell you this, I own a gun, and if any of them ever came to my apartment demanding that I store their guns, drugs or money, they would be killing me, but I'd be taking a couple of them with me, and I'm a WOMAN. At least one or two of them would be tasting lead from my shotgun. They may kill me, and my death might be for nothing, but I would rather die a free woman, than live on my knees in fear.
I guess that's the difference.
Anonymous said:
"Does no one learn from history? "
Evidently you do not either.
Think of all the wars where fire was fought with fire.
Do you listen to yourself at all?
So you would rather die a free woman. By all means do so.
Aren't you a little naive however to expect the entire world to live in accord with your principles? You may have a shotgun and might even be trigger happy. But for some of us, it's not a video game bang bang game over. Get real lady.
Zadig, going back to your original post:
It is the most humble and courageous thing to do
to turn your other cheek. It takes a stronger and braver man to do that instead of gunning someone down.
Perhaps we should ask our Anonymous American lady friend:
What would Jesus do?
On a personal note Zadig,
"I Left for a Smile" left me weeping.
I do wish you peace, safety and happiness.
I welcome you and your family to London.
It's your life and your family.
You did the right thing protecting your family and building a future for them in a new country.
Until bombs fall on their own heads, destroying their own houses and killing their own families, those who say you have done the wrong thing should quite simply shut the hell up.
Anon form LA
So you would not mind if we throw a few hundred tons of bombs over LA so we can get rid of the gangs?
I mean you sure look like you didn't do enough to stop them on your own.
Israel do not wait for Hizbullah to destroy Lebanon. It wants that from along time. Every senseful here know that capturing two Israeli soldiers is a ploy for invasion Lebanon . Hizbullah have the right to capture them because of the Lebanese captives, and Israel who start the barbarian bombing .
I liked this article.
It is so great. We understand your suffering. We want the peace for you. we want the dignity for you.
Sheba Farms should be returned back.The lebanese captives should be free.This your right. This why I love Nasrallah, because I believe he is trying to do it. Not for Syria or for Iran. It is for Lebanon.
My brother, I respect your suffering and I am inviting to the arabs unit as you do. Israel will not break this unit.
Shoot...I wish they WOULD throw a couple tons of bombs on East LA. It would save us the cost of having to deport all those gang bangers. If you look at the statistics, over 70% of the gang bangers are illegal aliens, and those who commit the majority of violent crimes in California are illegals. But that's America's problem.
I don't expect the entire world to live with my principals, no, but I do expect civilized folk in this world to wake up and realize when there is a real threat to civilization and to take up arms to wipe it out, yes. Work with me here. If HA continues on it's present path (let's assume that this war isn't going on and that the abduction of soldiers was just "business as usual."), the Lebanese can pretty much kiss their tourist industry goodbye, along with any thought of a thriving economy. Tell me, how's the economy in Palestine? It's pretty tough to get tourists to come to a place that offers nothing but violence and intolerance. The lovely beaches in Gaza? No man's land, laced with land mines, which, by the way, were seeded by Hamas. So going to the beach is kinda out of the question, even for the Palis.
Unless Islamofacism is stopped in it's virulent tracks, as Naziism was, your country will forever be a backward, third world place, where the terrorists who long for the 7th century but don't eschew modern weapons will keep their dhimmis and slaves. Of course, by that time, the well educated and those with the financial means to leave the country will have gone to Europe and America. But how long do you think the extremists will be happy with just ONE theocracy?? Get real. They want to conquer the WORLD, which, these days includes Europe and the Americas, and they have a pretty good shot at Europe, with their sniveling, cowardly, decadent, socialist ways, which lends itself perfectly to conquer by violence.
Fortunately, they won't conquer the Americas in my lifetime, but I feel sorry for my children's grandchildren if we as a civilized people don't wipe Islamofacism from the earth. My great-granchildren could be speaking Arabic and wearing burkhas. I'm thinking you don't wish this on your own great-grandchildren.
My whole point in my last post is that nobody took Hitler seriously until it was almost too late, and the same thing is happening again. Everybody wants somebody to do something, but nobody wants to die. Quite the conundrum, huh?
Anon 17:59. The threat from Hezbollah grows with every Israeli bomb. Hamas and HA could have become lunatic fringes, but the Israeli army never misses an opportunity to over-do things, which plays into their hands directly. The current war WAS entirely avoidable. There ARE other ways to deal with para-military fractions. But it's toolate now, Israel started another that was - again - unjustifiable and unwinnable. Just look how hard the reactions are growing now, even on this blog.
Until the situation wil Palestine is sorted out once and for all, we'll be back here in another six years throwing the same arguments around.
anonymous,
"If you look at the statistics, over 70% of the gang bangers are illegal aliens, and those who commit the majority of violent crimes in California are illegals.
"your country will forever be a backward, third world place,"
"Europe, with their sniveling, cowardly, decadent, socialist ways,"
Is there anyone - apart from yourself, I presume - that you DO like?
I don't think you people understand - ISRAEL is the attacker, the aggressor, the NAZI. Before WW2, two Nazi soldiers were killed by people in a Jewish neighborhood - the Nazi's (Licidene) burned down several Jewish towns.
Oh look, the Israeli's are doing what the Nazi fuckups did? Wow what a coincidence.
I didn't support Hezbollah before but now they are my heroes. They are standing up to the aggressor instead of bowing down or quietly accepting genocide. May God bless them and allow them to be free.
ANOTHER MYTH - Hezbollah didn't provoke the war (even if its a provocation see the Nazi\Jewish situation above - Israel's response has been sick and criminal). Israeli provoked Hezbollah and the two soldiers that Hezbollah kidnapped were on Lebanese land!!! It was all done on purpose by Israel and the U.S. to continue their desctuction of the Middle East.
The sad thing is that any democratic or moderate movements in the Middle East have been stifled because of the U.S.\Israeli\British\European invasions (aggression, genocide - call it by its name). Just like in America we have to now be afraid of right wing religious fundamentalist - the Middle East too can no longer fight them (see Indonesia).
The Israeli military, the media and all other supporters of the war are criminals, murderers and guility of genocide. They've become the new Nazi's.
Munsif anHyderabad based d Siasat Urdu Daily Editors grab Waqf Lands : Akbaruddin Owaisi
MiM Floor leader in assembly Akbaruddin Owaisi with MiM party MLAs
HYDERABAD BASED MUNSIF AND SIASAT URDU DAILY EDITORS GRAB WAQF LANDS
Urdu Media War and the Wakf properties tussle in Hyd ; MiM Leader Akbaruddin Owaisi
(Friday, Dec 09, 2005 - 09:00 pm) TeamMedia war among Urdu dailies was taken to Assembly in Hyderabad, when MIM floor leader Akbaruddin Owaisi accused Siasat and Munsif Urdu daily owners of grabbing Wakf properties and demanded stern action against them.Mr Owaisi armed with statistics and details of all Waqf Lands which are being encroached upon said govt is going soft on these editors as they are trying to threaten the govt through there newspapers .In the same breath, He also alleged that no action was taken against grabbers of Wakf properties in city and outside including Viceroy Hotel, Shaam and Sensation theatres, local reports inform. Turning his ire on owners of rival Urdu dailies, Siasat and Musif, he said, "Mr Zahid Ali Khan has illegally encroached Wakf property. He is a white collar land grabber. Why is the government keeping quite? You should put them behind bars." Shifting his heat on another Urdu daily Munsif owner, he remarked, "Mr Khan Lateef Khan...the double Khan.. too has encroached Wakf properties housing Santosh and Sapna theatres, yet no action has been taken. The government should take stringent action against encroachers of Wakf properties," he alleged. Reacting to Mr Owaisi's demand, minister for minorities welfare Mohd Fareeduddin assured that the government would enquire into the matter and would not "spare anyone however big he might be." Referring to allotment of land to one Tajuddin, he said the land was given on a lease for three years for agricultural purposes and the renewal would depend on the government He also accused them of trying to cover there illegal grabbing of land by bribing some high officals in the govt .
Posted by: khaled ahmed at September 15, 2006 12:29 PM
ASADUDDIN OWAISI MP MEEETS HIZBULLAH LEADERS IN LEBANON
HYDERABAD LOK SABHA MP ASADUDDIN OWAISI IS THE FIRST INDIAN DIPLOMAT TO VISIT LEBANON AFTER THE WAR ACCORDING TO THE ETEMAAD URDU DAILY AND DECCANNEWS AND ISLAMIC NEWS OF SYRIA MR ASADUDDIN IS ON A PRIVATE VISIT TO LEBANON AND SYRIA AND NOT REPRESENTING THE UPA GOVERNMENT OVER THERE IT IS SAID TO BE A GOODWILL VISIT AND TO SHOW SUPPORT OF INDIAN MUSLIMS IN THE WAKE OF DEATH AND MASSIVE DESTRUCTION OVER THERE ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS MR OWAISI FLEW FROM DELHI TO DAMASCUAS CAPITAL OF SYRIA AND WAS THERE FOR 3 DAYS AND EVEN VISITED ISLAMIC HOLY SHRINES AND EVEN VISITED THE GRAND UMMAYD MOSQUE AND AFTER THAT HE WENT TO BEIRUT AND ON HIS STAY THERE HE VISITED THE SOUTHEREN PART OF BEIRUT CITY WHICH WAS THE MOST BOMBED AREA IN BEIRUT WHICH WAS REPETADELY STUCK BY ISRAELI WARPLANES AND FROM THERE HE ALONG WITH VARIOUS OTHER SOCIAL AND AID ACTVISTS HE WENT TO QANA AND VISITED THE PLACE WHERE A BUILDING WAS COLLAPSED AFTER A ISRAELI AIRSTRIKE IN WHICH 57 CIVILLANNS WERE KILLED AND MR OWAISI HAS EVEN VISITED THE PORT CITY OF TYRE WHICH WAS DESERTED AT THE TIME OF WAR AND BINT JEBIL AN AREA IN SOUTHERN LEBANON WHICH WAS THE MAIN BATTLEFRONT BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH FIGHTERS AND ISRAELI ARMY AND IS SAID THAT THE WHOLE VILLAGES IN THAT AREA HAVE BEEN DEVASTED BY THE FIGHTING WHICH LASTED FOR 34 DAYS AND ON HIS VISIT TO BEIRUT THE HYDERABAD MP GAVE AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW TO THE HEZBOLLAHS RUN TV AL MANAR AND IS SAID THAT HE HAS CAME TO LEBANON TO SHOW HIS SOLADIRTY WITH THE LEBANESE PEOPLE AND SAID HOW INDIAN PARLIAMENT HAS CONDMENNED THE WAR IN LEBANON AND HAS OFFERED AID WORTH 15 CRORES DOLLARS TO LEBANON HE EVEN MET WITH MANY CIVILLANS AND OLD AGE WOMEN WHOSE SONS WERE KILLED WHILE FIGHTING THE ISRAELI ARMY MR OWAISI WILL STAY IN LEBANON AND MEET LEBABNESE MPS AND EVEN WILL VISIT INDIAN EMBASSY IN BEIRUT AND MEET INDIAN EMBASSY STAFF AND AMBASSADOR .THERE ARE SOME REPORTS SUGGESTED BY ISLAMIC WEBSITE THAT HE EVEN MET HEZBOLLAH LEADERS WHILE HIS STAY IN BEIRUT REPORTS SUGGEST HE MET HIZBULLAH COMMANDER IN SOUTH HASAN HUBALLAH IN A SECRET LOCATION AND WHILE COMING OUT OF THERE WAS SURROUNDED BY HIZBULLAH GUNMEN HE EVEN MET HIZBULLAH CHAIRMAN FOR ECONOMIC AND RESARCH DEVELOPMENT DR ALI FAYYAD AND WITH THE TYRE CITY MAYOR MR ALI MUSHARRAF AND EVEN MET WITH VARIOUS OTHER LEBANESE POLTICAL LEADERS AND MPS OF VARIOUS PARTYS SPEAKING OUTSIDE LEBANESE PARLIAMENT AFTER COMING OUT MEETING WITH LEBANESE PARLIAMENT SPEAKER NABIL BERRI THE MAJLIS PARTY LEADER OF HYDERABAD SAID ISRAEL HAS COMMITTED ACTS OF STATE TERRRORISM BY TARGETING INNOCENT CIVILLANS AND DESTROYING ITS INFRASTRUCTURE WORTH BILLIONS AND THIS WILL OR NOT DAMAGE THE HIZBULLAH AND THE LEBANESE PEOPLES WILL TO FIGHT AGAINST ILLEGAL OCCUPATION
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